Highschool student looking at airline pilot career!

Riley

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I'm a high school sophomore and I am interested in becoming an airline pilot when I grow up. On this website it suggests I go through the military but since I have asthma there is no way I could become a military pilot. I plan on going to the UND for college because I hear they have a really good pilot training program. I am working to achieve Eagle rank in the Boy Scouts. I want to be an airline pilot and not much else involving airplanes unless I could be an air traffic controller, because to be honest i'm not really interested in it for flying, mostly the pay ( I have not flown airplanes before and my opinions can change). I'm wondering if I got a good chance at becoming an airline pilot otherwise I should start looking at other career choices. Thoughts?
 
Non-aviation degree at a state school and if you're in it for the pay, hoooo boy, I'd think about Truckmasters! :)
 
Can't wait to see where this goes...
Be helpful.
I'm a high school sophomore and I am interested in becoming an airline pilot when I grow up. On this website it suggests I go through the military but since I have asthma there is no way I could become a military pilot. I plan on going to the UND for college because I hear they have a really good pilot training program. I am working to achieve Eagle rank in the Boy Scouts. I want to be an airline pilot and not much else involving airplanes unless I could be an air traffic controller, because to be honest i'm not really interested in it for flying, mostly the pay ( I have not flown airplanes before and my opinions can change). I'm wondering if I got a good chance at becoming an airline pilot otherwise I should start looking at other career choices. Thoughts?
Well, good on you for the Eagle Scout thing. I have no idea whether or not it helped me get hired here or anywhere else I've been hired, but I'd like to think it did.

A few points:
(0) Why don't you go out and get a discovery flight and see if you like flying first, before spending the next 40ish years of your life strapped to an airliner?
(1) Avoid student loan debt if you can. Scholarships are cool.
(2) There's been a recent proposed change to pilot certification, we're not sure what it looks like yet. You'll need an ATP to play in the big leagues now.
(3) You should really look at what the pay is like at some regional airlines (see American Eagle or ExpressJet or Atlantic Southeast on that page) before saying you're in it for the money. Over a long time the career CAN pay quite well. It doesn't really, to start off with.
(4) The changes I mentioned in (2) might make an aviation degree worth more. But generally speaking, the value proposition there isn't very good. Go to college for anything not-aviation, and fly on the side. Collegiate aviation is ridiculously expensive and unless you can get someone else to foot the bill (loans don't count!) you might be hard pressed to fund it. Especially when you're making $22,000 a year as a new hire FO.

Good luck. Choose wisely.
 
By "non-aviation degree" do you mean that this is not for me? Excuse me for the ineptitude but what is a truckmaster?

He means, get a non-aviation degree. And Truckmasters is a truck driving school, made famous in the movie Top Gun.

:)
 
By "non-aviation degree" do you mean that this is not for me? Excuse me for the ineptitude but what is a truckmaster?

Oh, just a euphemism for what I talk about in "College Degrees" on the main website.

Also, the pay may be better, it may be worse by the time you enter the career, so if it's solely for pay, I'd consider it a poor choice.
 
I can't stress this enough: Get a NON aviation degree. To put it another way: Do NOT get a degree in aeronautical science or any of it's spin-offs.

Choose a degree in something that interests you which has nothing to do with aviation. Then get your flight ratings on the side at a good flight school. I always say it, and I'll say it again: Learn a second language while you are at it.
 
If you only want to fly airplanes because of the pay, do something else. I made $30,000 a year flying an airliner around, and this will continue for the foreseeable future.

Oh and I was laid off for two and a half years during the last economic downturn.
 
It is great you are already focusing on what you want to do as a career. Many students graduate high school without a clue about what they want to do for an occupation. However, I wouldn't recommend getting TOO wrapped in it. Enjoy being 16, having a drama and best friends and girls, girls, and yes....more girls. Stay up late, do your homework last minute, and be young! Obviously being sarcastic on some of those parts but seriously, be young and enjoy it. I'm sure MANY people on here will tell you the same.
 
I'll second the vote that you should be concentrating on being a teenager right now.

Do what you're doing -- exploring various potential careers and evaluating how they might fit in with your own wants/desires/personality -- but don't waste any time right now trying to decide where to go to college, etc.

There are many, many hurdles between now and then that you need to concentrate on instead, like just learning all you can in high school and enjoying being a teenager.

As for this career avenue you're exploring, you won't really know anything unless you get in an airplane and go fly it. Go buy a $69 introductory flight, or go to a EAA Young Eagles event, and see if you like it. Same for the ATC biz -- hunt around for an ATC tour with your Scout group and spend some time with controllers watching what they do and talking about their lifestyle.

Your goals and ambitions will change a lot over the next 10 years. Strap in an enjoy the ride.
 
As said above, going into the airlines "for the money" may not be the best idea. Most non-military guys have to go through the regionals/commuter airlines to get the required experience to land a job with a major airline . That means that you're going to start out making $20,000 and that will increase sloooowly. And you'll spend at least half your life away from, unless you live in-base (near the airport where you are based). Lots of folks do it, but they're here for the flying in addition to a paycheck.

I'm just saying that if you're not really in it for the flying, there are better careers for you. Take some lessons for fun and see if the flying bug bites you. You should also hit the Air Traffic Controller section on this site and get some insight from them.
 
By "non-aviation degree" do you mean that this is not for me? Excuse me for the ineptitude but what is a truckmaster?
He means, Bachelor of Science, Computer Science. Or something like that. Go out and get yourself a discovery flight and see if you actually like to fly. Please.

If you're legitimately interested in ATC, you should call your local facility (tower, approach, center, what have you) and see about getting a tour, too.

And Truckmasters...
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"Do you still have the number for that truck driving school, Maverick?"
 
It is great that you are looking into this at such a young age. Those that seem to do best in this career are the ones that start the earliest. I know several guys that upgraded to captain weeks after their 23rd (earliest legally allowed) birthday. They completed their degrees while flying and by the time they are 25 will have all of the requirements that the mainline airlines are looking for and had the added bonus of enjoying a nice chunk of their 20's making a live-able income. If I were to do it all again, I would probably go that route. I am a check airman and recall a time i was flying with a newly minted captain of 23 years of age. I looked over at this very young gentlemen and could not get over the fact that he is so young and is in command of an aircraft flying 4 miles above the ground, at 400 miles an hour, in moderate icing, at night with 78 souls on board. That is some very heavy responsibility. He did a great job. By the time he is my age he will possibly be a captain at a major. This experience really got me thinking about what the best approach to this career really is.

If I were your age (I wanted to be a pilot but decided against it, got a degree unrelated to aviation, worked for 4 years then went for it.) I would get a job at an FBO. Start making contacts in all levels of aviation. I would plan to get my private license over this summer, get as much flight time as I could this year then get my instrument next summer and try to get as much in the cloud time time as I could my senior year. All the while making contacts through sites like this or just by hanging out at the FBO meeting people with planes. After graduating from Highschool I would go to ALL ATPS and do the 90 day program, followed by instructing (by then you'll have likely made several contacts in the field to help you out) or whatever means you can to get as much flight time as possible in order to get hired somewhere as early as possible. During this time work on a plan to get your four year degree.

I would then try to get on with a growing airline. If it is a regional, find a place that has a union contract (this is quite important for reasons that can be nebulous before you enter the industry but are crystal clear a short time afterwards). Picking a place that is growing can be very helpful in your career progression especially if moving onto a mainline carrier is your ultimate goal. The reason being, opportunities to upgrade to captain, thus logging airline pilot in command time, will come much sooner. Think of it this way: for every year you get to the mainline sooner is 200k a year of earning on the back end of your career when you arguably will need the money the most.

It is also important to understand that there are so many uncontrollable variables in aviation that even the best laid plans can go sour, or purely by chance you could end up in a great situation. Just be open and flexible and understand that setbacks do happen but to never give up!!

Definitely heed everyone's advice to try to minimize your debt if at all possible. I took out the standard 80k loan to get done quickly(because of starting later in life). My first few earning years did not allow me to pay my loan payments (earning roughly 300 dollars every 2 weeks as an instructor and 600 dollars every two weeks as a pilot, which was barely enough to scrape by), so i had to defer paying my loans. During that time 27k in interest accrued. My loan payments are now $1000 a month for 20 years. This is a heavy burden that you want to avoid if at all possible. It really isn't any fun.
 
He means, get a non-aviation degree. And Truckmasters is a truck driving school, made famous in the movie Top Gun.

:)

Have we really reached a point where Top Gun is no longer common knowledge for teens? What is wrong with the parents of today, not passing along the classics of our time. Whats next someone asking "Whats a Goonie?"
 
I second the advice about trying out aviation to see if you like it. Take a discovery flight. Hang around your local small airport, see if you can get a job sweeping hangar floors or washing airplanes or bringing wrenches to the mechanic when he's upside down with his head behind an instrument panel. Bum airplane rides from the old airport geezers. Learn about the pros and cons of all the areas of the industry, airlines included, so you can make an informed decision about whether you still want to go airline, another segment of aviation, or leave flying as a hobby. If you really like it, scrape together your paper route/hangar sweeping/wrench fetching money and get your private while you're still in high school. Then go to college. I'm not necessarily going to echo the "don't get an aviation degree" crowd because I got an aviation degree and it has worked out just fine for me so far. Granted, I didn't get your average BS in Professional Flight degree-I got my aircraft mechanic certificate, all my pilot ratings past private, flight instructor ratings, and combined with some general education classes that equalled a BS degree. Whether you major in aviation or attend a completely non-aviation college, get that degree! I also highly recommend an on-campus real college experience...not at all knocking tech colleges and the like but by living on campus I built a lot of great friendships and I think even improved the academic experience. Also, get your Flight Instructor certificate as soon as possible so you can teach some and REALLY learn how to fly. Finally, be very careful about the cost of aviation programs and avoid, avoid, avoid debt.
 
Go be a doctor (human or critter)

Go be a engineer

Go be a chemist

Go be a biologist

Go do anything else.

And doing it for the money? Um, yea, that's not going to work out the way your think.

Richman
 
Folks, I am starting to think we have just been rick rolled.

Reminds me of the prank calls I would place into my flight school back in the day. When one of my CFI buddies would answer the phone I would pretend to be a prospective student and say outrageous things, inlcuding but not limited to how I wanted to jump right into a 737 and make millions, how I would refuse to instruct because it was beneath me, ect...

The best part was placing these calls while hidden around the corner and watching them get more and more red as the call went on!
 
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