HI ILS into Roswell

[jynxyjoe]

To be fair, we're not usually flying the Loc portion at 300.

The penetration is at 300, then about 6-9 miles prior to the FAF, we've got to slow down to configure (gear/flap speed is 250 for the Eagle, 240 for the Talon). Then we've got to continue slowing to final approach speed...depending on fuel and external stores, that's going to be somewhere between 160 and 200 knots...which is the speed we wanna be at when we hit the FAF and for the rest of the final approach portion.

How fast (miles) can you guys get the Eagle to slow down from 300-160 if you wanted to do it all last second?

1900 could go from 250 to ~115 in 2.5 miles if you wanted to wake the pax up (Roadhouse!).

 

[Hacker15e]

How fast (miles) can you guys get the Eagle to slow down from 300-160 if you wanted to do it all last second?

*Very* fast, so long as you don't care about maintaining level flight -- probably less than 10 seconds. If you were in the soup and wanted to slow down at the last minute, probably within a mile or two.

When you have a speedbrake this large, there's not a knot you can't bleed quickly.

 

[ppragman]

I bet you shock cooled your engines that you had been running over squared too. Roadhouse!

Beech 1900.

How fast (miles) can you guys get the Eagle to slow down from 300-160 if you wanted to do it all last second?

1900 could go from 250 to ~115 in 2.5 miles if you wanted to wake the pax up (Roadhouse!).

Dude, I love that airplane. I flew the C model, don't know much about how the D model performed, but the C model was badass. Loaded up with cargo, chop the power and down you go, scary fast, peg the needle fast. Land, kick all of your stuff out, take off empty and peg the needle the other way if its a cold day.

 

[MikeD]

How fast (miles) can you guys get the Eagle to slow down from 300-160 if you wanted to do it all last second?

1900 could go from 250 to ~115 in 2.5 miles if you wanted to wake the pax up (Roadhouse!).

That was the problem with the -117, there were no drag devices at all....no speed brakes, no flaps, nothing. Descent planning was especially important for the speed portion, as well as formation rejoins.

 

[///AMG]

Same with the baby Hornet.....250 (as I mentioned we do penetrations at) is gear/LEF/TEF speed for us, so coming off a penetration is not a problem, but anything above that takes a while to slow if you aren't planning on loading up the jet to slow it down. Speedbrake also makes a pronounced nose up pitching transient, which I would guess the Eagle guys probably have to contend with as well.....

 

[jynxyjoe]

That was the problem with the -117, there were no drag devices at all....no speed brakes, no flaps, nothing. Descent planning was especially important for the speed portion, as well as formation rejoins.

That thing was so ugly and slow couldn't you just hold your hand out the window or kick a door open?

I'm just kidding, I'd be useless in any of ya'll shoes.