Hey UND guys! :-)

I'll also be incoming this fall and there was one question that I had regarding the timeline issue... From what I understand, students get into 102 either in fall or spring, but sometimes don't finish in the fall.

I guess what I'm wondering is, are the students coming in with 30+ hours guaranteed to get into 105 in the fall?
 
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I'll also be incoming this fall and there was one question that I had regarding the timeline issue... From what I understand, students get into 102 either in fall or spring, but sometimes don't finish in the fall.

I guess what I'm wondering is, are the students coming in with 30+ hours guaranteed to get into 105 in the fall?

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I came into the fall and got into 105 right away. I am not sure how they decide which students start in the fall or spring semesters. But I think the feeling is if you have the 30 hours, you are more likely to finish in the fall and thus go into 221 in the spring, which keeps them making money.

I would give them a call.
 
I've always been under the impression that 102/105 has to do a lot with first come first serve. When I was coming in as a frosh I came up for the first orientation session and got all my first semester classes scheduled, including 102. I think a lot of the kids that didn't get scheduled untill a month or so later didn't get in untill spring semester.

I know that when I was scheduling for it we were guarenteed a spot in 221 as long as we finished our 102 in time. Now I don't know if that is always the case, because they might just base it off of how many kids are in 102 and compare that to the nuber of 221 spots available.

Those are all just observations though, I'd definetely call em and find out for sure.
 
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I'll also be incoming this fall and there was one question that I had regarding the timeline issue... From what I understand, students get into 102 either in fall or spring, but sometimes don't finish in the fall.


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Hey everybody, I also attend UND. I'm taking 102 now and can comment a little on its timeline. If you take 102 in the fall, bad wx will keep you from flying towards the middle of Nov and Dec. If you take 102 in the spring, you will get weathered a lot Jan and part of Feb. Several of my friends who took 102 last fall didnt finish last fall. They were on template to finish in time until mid Nov then they kept getting weathered and didnt get their flights in. I was weathered almost all Jan and half of Feb. I was way behind template and had to pick up flights every chance I could get. Now I'm back on template and will complete the course by the end of the semester. I guess what I'm trying to say is fly a lot while the wx is good to get the course done in time.
 
Thanks a lot for the additional information guys! And sorry for the late update on the answer.
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Hi Zach!
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Looking forward to meeting you as well!
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OK I called UND, Amy Sand, and I received the answer I thought I would receive...

Yes, there are only TWO sessions, the June 7th and the June 28th session. So, there's no way around the 30+ logged hour minimum for the second session. So as of now, June 7th is the only thing I may attend.

Now it's only up to my highschool to see if I may leave before graduation. (I also asked whether they required you to have "graduated" before signing up for the summer session, she told me that the only requirement was pretty much that you got 1030 on the SAT, or 22 on the ACT—just like it says in the letter)

So what I'm thinking about doing—provided I leave my highschool early—is sign up for the summer session of 102, and at the same time, go to the Getting Started program (I had no clue about it, I received the info in the mail just yesterday). It all works out pretty well I guess. Only bad thing is that I live pretty far here in NYC, lol, so I have to plan these things out well in advance.

The only thing I forgot to ask about—and am real stupid because that was one of the main questions—was exactly what Zach had asked: how do they determine your starting semester for 102.

Yeah, but I'm definitely going to that Getting Started program. I REALLY need the orientation, as, apart from what you guys have showed me, I'm clueless!

Thanks for the ongoing help again,
Angel Trochez
 
There is no policy at UND that says you have to have 30+ hours to take 102 in the fall. Both of my 102 students last fall had to buy new logbooks when they started, so they had an empty slate. Someone with 30+ hours would enroll in the 105 course, a part 61 flight course with 12 lessons and the final stage check with an FAA Designated Examiner instead of an in house Part 141 stage check.

NYC eh? I went to high school in New Jersey, and i have a student this semester from Long Island. Everyone back home thought i was nuts when i said i was going to college in North Dakota
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I did 105, and not sure if they changed it because I know they were thinking about it, but it was 14 lessons. Lesson 14 is the stage check, which course cleared you for 102 to get your ground school grade, then you had to take the ride with the DPE to get your ppl.
 
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<<NYC eh? I went to high school in New Jersey, and i have a student this semester from Long Island. Everyone back home thought i was nuts when i said i was going to college in North Dakota>>
Yeah, I get crazy looks from everyone as well. I think people complain too much about weather. It gets annoying though. Everyone I've told says, "God, do you KNOW how cold it is overthere?"
It's VERY annoying, as a matter of fact. I never know what to respond to that question. No really, because that's all I hear, ND being cold, etc. Yes, I know it gets down to -45F. OK, "your point is?"
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Funny thing is then these students who act real tough—like they don't care about their parents/"hate" them—end up saying that they wouldn't want to live too far from home... "I thought you wanted to stay as FAR as possible from your family?", I ask them...
"Not THAT far", their response. Oh grow up man.

Yeah, kids are very weird in my school, at least. I don't like most of'em.

Anyway, regarding the 102 stuff...

Icelandair (for lack of another name), they had told me that like half begin on fall, and half during spring. That's why I wouldn't want to risk it.
Now, I'm only gonna have to wait until we go back to school so I can ask the counselors about leaving early.

Thanks for the response.
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Got a question, I'm a student right now at a branch campus in Ohio. I have my PPL. I was wondering if I would be far behind from other students who would be Juniors if I got my associates in business here in Ohio then transfer up to UND and major in Aviation Mangement so I can earn more ratings and have a Buisness Degree.
 
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Got a question, I'm a student right now at a branch campus in Ohio. I have my PPL. I was wondering if I would be far behind from other students who would be Juniors if I got my associates in business here in Ohio then transfer up to UND and major in Aviation Mangement so I can earn more ratings and have a Buisness Degree.

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What year are you in school now? Because it all depends. If you are close to getting your two year degree, like 1 semester, then I would say stay. But if you are a freshman and still have another year left, it wouldn't be worth it.

Here is my opinion about an associates degre. it isn't worth squat. The reason I say this, it's basically the same thing as a high school diploma. Anyone can last 2 years in school, but it takes commitment and some work to complete a bachelors degree. Also, if you plan to get a bachelors degree anyways, why waste your time getting an associates degree. The sooner you get to UND, the sooner you get done.

Basically what I am saying, the longer you wait to come here, the longer it will take you to get your bachelors degree. There are so many prerequisites to deal and other crap, that I would estimate it taking 3 years to complete a bachelor degree if you came in with an associates degree. If you came with one year of college, you could do it in 3 1/2 years, thus saving AT LEAST a semester. Considerable amount of time can be shaved off by taking summer classes. Generally, those are easier too.

Anymore questions, just ask
 
I just wanted to clarify the flight course policy:

All students are required to complete Aviation 102 (Private Pilot Ground School). Those with LESS than 30 hours of flight experience will be required to complete the entire Aviation 102 flight syllabus. Students with MORE than 30 hours (as approved by an Asst. Chief Flight Instructor) will be allowed to fly in the Private Pilot Test course flight syllabus, leading to the Private Pilot Certification.

Private Pilot Certificate only.

All students are required to complete Aviation 102 (Private Pilot Ground School) and Private Pilot Test course flight lessons (regardless of how much flight experience) except for the following:

Completed the Private Pilot Certificate at a FAA 141 certificated school (must present Graduation Certificate) and also obtained college credit. These individuals will only be required to complete the Private Pilot Test course flight lessons. The Private Pilot Test course is a minimum of fourteen flight lessons, and costs will vary according to the flying experience of the student. Aviation 102 (Private Ground School) will be waived.

Hope this helps!
 
Hi i dont have anything to say at the moment but i was reading this message and laughed bc i'm from FL born and raised beach bum and i'm looking into transfering from Daytona Beach FL at Embry-Riddle. What would your friends say to that? I have seen snow once in my life.
 
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