here's one guy who finally got his

TheShortOne

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here\'s one guy who finally got his

http://www.freep.com/news/metro/flight2e_20041202.htm
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A round-trip flight from Detroit to Tokyo normally costs about $850, but for a Warren man it'll cost tens of thousands more.

Frank Sahutske, a 48-year-old machinist, must pay $70,400, serve a year in a federal halfway house and write letters of apology to 375 airline passengers after becoming drunk and disorderly on an overseas flight last year.

U.S. District Judge Lawrence Zatkoff in Detroit imposed the sentence Tuesday on Sahutske, who became loud and unruly after downing four shots of whiskey and two sleeping pills on a Tokyo-to-Detroit flight on Nov. 14, 2003. He was returning from a business trip to China, and the plane stopped in Tokyo.

The U.S. Attorney's Office said Sahutske became so disruptive he had to be restrained in the rear of the 747 jetliner, was which diverted to Anchorage, Alaska. He also punched a passenger in the stomach and used his shoulder to strike a flight attendant.

He initially was charged with interfering with a flight crew, a felony, but was allowed to plead guilty to a simple assault, a federal misdemeanor.

Zatkoff sentenced Sahutske to five years of probation, one year of which must be served in a halfway house. Zatkoff also ordered him to reimburse Northwest Airlines $57,900 for the cost of diverting the flight. Sahutske also must write a 15-page essay on the environmental impact of dumping thousands of gallons of fuel into the ocean, which the aircrew had to do so the plane could land safely in Anchorage, and write individual letters of apology to other passengers. He also will be fined $12,500 by the Federal Aviation Administration, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.

Northwest Airlines would not comment Wednesday.

Deputy Federal Defender David Tholen said Sahutske is "deeply remorseful for his conduct."



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Interesting. I guess those sleeping pills did not work at all. For Northwest airline flightsm (Tokyo to Detroit or Detroit to Tokyo) departs around mid- afternoon hours at local time. FAs will close curtains when seat belt sign off, serve you something, dinner, movie, lights off(I know some FAs will also take smoe Z). I guess he might have drunk sme Sake...
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I wouldn't be surprised if more than sleeping pills were involved. For several years I've been following these acts of air rage. They have a couple of things in common. They are usually white males, good income and education, business people usually. Which means good medical insurance. So most of these guys are on some type of psychotropic drug. Usually an anti-depressant. Then some alcohol is added in.

The dirty little secret that Lily and Pfeizer and others don't want you to know is people that use their drugs occasionally go stark raving mad. Most of the school shooters were either on anti-depressants or Ritalin.

Some other bad cases have been illegal drugs. But it is almost always a result of mixing alcohol and drugs.
 
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I would put money down that all he took is the sleeping pills and the whiskey. It was probably ambien, a sleeping pill, and mild hallucinogen. I took Ambien after having a few drinks once. I ended up throwing recliners off of our resorts 5th story balcony, destroying the place, making a complete ass ou to fmyself, and last but not least bodyslamming a Mexican Cop.Luckily we were in Mexico and my friends were able to pay the Cops off. Had I been in the US I would have been screwed. THe worst part; I NEVER REMEMBERED ANY OF IT......DO NOT TAKE AMBIEN WITH EVEN A MINOR AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL
 
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Some basic anti-allergy medications like actifed or benedryl (sp?) make me totally hallucinate which is why I can't take either.
 
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Ah, allergy medicines. They are strange creatures, aren't they?

If I'm going to bed, I take Benadryl, because it will make me sleepier than a cheesy hypnotist.

If I want to stay awake, I take Sudafed, because it gets me more wired than a dozen shots of espresso would.

And I'd never take Sudafed before a hockey game. Nope, never in a million years.
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I like that the punishment is related to the crimes. So often they just sit in jail for a few months and then get out, and are just mad at the time they spent in there and didn't really accomplish anything. But having to do the essay and apology letters and such will really impact him on how his behavior affected others.
 
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I would put money down that all he took is the sleeping pills and the whiskey. It was probably ambien, a sleeping pill, and mild hallucinogen. ........... THe worst part; I NEVER REMEMBERED ANY OF IT......DO NOT TAKE AMBIEN WITH EVEN A MINOR AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL

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This is common. Many of the people involved in these incidents have no history of such behavior and often don't remember the event.

I think we need to be a little circumspect when evaluating a situation like this. The drug companies and medical people work very hard to keep the public in the dark about drug reactions. Just recently it was noted that anti-depressants shouldn't be prescribed to kids because of the violent and suicidal tendencies they produce. Yet millions of kids are on those drugs right now. And now they are going back to review their use in adults. It is no secret to many professionals. If you hear of an incident of individual human behavior that just makes no sense, psychotic episodes, look for the psychotropic drug to be there. The school shooting episodes are perfect examples.

I remember when the kid flew the plane into the building in Tampa. I said there would be some kind of prescription drug involved. Turned out it was Accutane, a drug that many feel should be taken off the market completely and never should have been approved.*

>>According to USA Today, approximately 66 cases of suicide and over 1,300 cases of psychiatric problems associated with the use of Accutane have been reported to the FDA as of December 2000. In April 2002, Roche Pharmaceuticals was served with a $70 million lawsuit claiming the medicine caused severe psychosis. <<

Does this sound like something you'd want to take for acne?

It could be that the combination of alcohol, drugs, and interrupted sleep rythms are just going to produce some incidents like this. So I would need to know more before I condemned the guy.
 
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And I'd never take Sudafed before a hockey game. Nope, never in a million years.
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hehe, I know what you're talkin about. Those practices in high school where I had a cold and was on something were some of my best practices ever. Though I started drinking those Snapple Element Fire drinks before each game, those got me so wired that I couldn't even concentrate. My mind would be in an entirely different place for most of the game. Not a good idea.
 
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Flyover,


Your use of psuedo science in an area which is not your area of specialization astounds me.

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Just recently it was noted that anti-depressants shouldn't be prescribed to kids because of the violent and suicidal tendencies they produce.

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I hope you realize the backwards nature of this statement. Many kids are perscribed anti-depressants because they are suicidal in the first place. While you might not think it happens, believe me I had enough friends try to kill themselves when I was a teenager that it's a real enough situation that needs to be dealt with. I'm not saying that everyone should just be drugged up (quite the contrary), but your assertion that the cause of the kids suicidal tendencies is the drugs that they are on is plain crazy talk.

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It is no secret to many professionals. If you hear of an incident of individual human behavior that just makes no sense, psychotic episodes, look for the psychotropic drug to be there. The school shooting episodes are perfect examples.

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You further have no understanding of what psychotropic drugs are. A psychotropic drug is used to treat mental illnesses such as scizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Your other assertion in this statement that kids shoot up schools because they are on said drugs is absolutly assanine. Again, another situation you never had to deal with and these assertions of yours are nothing more than passing the buck, and no better than parents drugging up otherwise healthy kids. I find it insulting that you would make such a statement without any background knowledge in the subject of how a drug used to treat schizophrenia can induce a school shooting. There is a lot more going on in those situations than you might imagine.

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I remember when the kid flew the plane into the building in Tampa. I said there would be some kind of prescription drug involved. Turned out it was Accutane, a drug that many feel should be taken off the market completely and never should have been approved.*


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I was on acutane and never flew a plane into a school. In fact at the exact same age I was on acutane and recieving flight training. Your assetion that the drug is completely unsafe because 66 people have killed themselves (and you have shown no evidence that directly links the drug and these deaths) is like me saying that "people have died in plane crashes, stay away from airplanes!"

Sorry for the rant, but I hate to see misinformation flying around about these subjects.

Cheers


John Herreshoff
 
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I hope you realize the backwards nature of this statement. Many kids are perscribed anti-depressants because they are suicidal in the first place. While you might not think it happens, believe me I had enough friends try to kill themselves when I was a teenager that it's a real enough situation that needs to be dealt with. I'm not saying that everyone should just be drugged up (quite the contrary), but your assertion that the cause of the kids suicidal tendencies is the drugs that they are on is plain crazy talk.


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Hmmm...then why are some anti-depressants being recalled and relabled as not safe for teens, and why do I keep seeing laywer commercials to "Call us if you lost a loved one to suicide while on an anti-depressant"??
 
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but your assertion that the cause of the kids suicidal tendencies is the drugs that they are on is plain crazy talk.

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Not my assertion. FDA's.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7461/307

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You further have no understanding of what psychotropic drugs are. A psychotropic drug is used to treat mental illnesses such as scizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

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duh

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Your other assertion in this statement that kids shoot up schools because they are on said drugs is absolutly assanine.

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I never made the cause/effect assertion. I'm saying that it is the norm. Check the record:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2000-05-16-School-Shootings-Psychotropic-Drugs.htm


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I was on acutane and never flew a plane into a school. In fact at the exact same age I was on acutane and recieving flight training. Your assetion that the drug is completely unsafe because 66 people have killed themselves (and you have shown no evidence that directly links the drug and these deaths) is like me saying that "people have died in plane crashes, stay away from airplanes!"

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It's not surprising that you didn't do this, most people don't . Again, not my assetion. You might have been watching the recent congressional hearings on Vioxx and failures at the FDA. A senior FDA scientist testified about the dangers of Accutane and how it was an example of a drug that should never have been approved and should be withdrawn immediately. I defer to him and thousands of other professionals who have sounded the alarm about Accutane. It is a very controversial drug, to say the least. I'm glad you didn't suffer from it. I wouldn't give it to my dog, much less my kids.

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Sorry for the rant, but I hate to see misinformation flying around about these subjects.

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Well then you might want to get better informed. I understand you are upset. My wife and I have been involved in campaigns to reduce the drugging of kids for over two decades. I've put my money where my mouth is. Inevitably people who have been on the drugs get very upset and defensive. The most defensive are parents who have drugged their kids. So I'm quite used to it. Believe me I've been called worse than assinine on ths subject. Unfortunately, since the drug companies and FDA work so hard to cover up side effects it takes citizen acivists to fill the void. Professionals often can't do it because it puts their careers at risk. But some brave ones do. Again I'll refer you to the recent hearings on this subject.

I stand by all my statements.

All the best,

Dave
 
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Sorry for the rant, but I hate to see misinformation flying around about these subjects.

[/ QUOTE ]Sorry, man, but Flyover's right on this one. The truth is that even the drug companies don't really understand what these psychotropic drugs are doing to people. The best they can do is show the effect that the drugs seem to have on people . . . and that evidence is fairly inconclusive. There's no doubt that these drugs have helped many people, but it also is beginning to appear certain that they have hurt a great many people as well.

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I too will stand by my statements on this one.

If you think that these drugs are so horrible and should be taken off the market, then you've never had to be around people when they are off these medications. When you've seen what bipolar disorder can do to a person's life, letalone an entire family then you start to realize that some of these drugs are miracle drugs.

Now me personally, I've never been on any drugs for anything but asthma; but I don't believe it's the place of "concerned citizens" to be calling for the banning of these drugs (which it sounds like what you are doing, though I have infered this from your statements). This is no different than people that would campaign airplanes because a few people are going to get killed in them each year. Even with how safe we make things accidents will happen. In the same cases with various drugs, you are going to have people that do not react well to them. More than that, I feel that many of the connections drawn with drugs like acutane are spurrious at best. You are going to have people that are ALREADY suicidal on these drugs, and when they do kill themselves people start playing the blame game and will point fingers at whatever they can.

And do you think that doctors would actually perscribe these medications if they thought they were going to get people killed? The drug company's and the FDA are one thing; but I can't believe that you'd make the assertion that doctors would knowing perscribe medications that might get a patient hurt and/or killed.
 
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And do you think that doctors would actually perscribe these medications if they thought they were going to get people killed? The drug company's and the FDA are one thing; but I can't believe that you'd make the assertion that doctors would knowing perscribe medications that might get a patient hurt and/or killed.

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This is just like saying nobody murders people on purpose, but yes it happens all the time.

Money is a powerful thing, a very prime motive to kill actually. You should see how much money Doctors make to push medicines, it's ludacris. So to say a Doctor wouldn't knowingly prescribe a medicine that would hurt or kill others is unfounded, because it happens.

Trust me John, Doctors are humans too and are very cable of doing awful things. I am not a lot of Doctors are like this, pretty sure it is a very small percentage, but it happens.
 
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I was on Accutane and it worked miracles while not causing pyschotic rage. If the drug encourages depression in a small percentage of people then perhaps candidates for the drug should be screened more effectively.
 
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Sorry, man, but Flyover's right on this one. The truth is that even the drug companies don't really understand what these psychotropic drugs are doing to people.

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Eh! they know what the drugs will do to people. Drug companies are the most morally bankrupt companies on the planet next to republicans!
But the drug companies put profits above people!

Matthew
 
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I was on Accutane and it worked miracles while not causing pyschotic rage. If the drug encourages depression in a small percentage of people then perhaps candidates for the drug should be screened more effectively.

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I personally know 3 individuals that spent a little time in a psychiatric hospital.

On the flip side, I know at least 10 that were on it and it worked great, no bad side effects. I also know a couple that it did nothing, didn't help with acne and had no side effects either.

Very strange drug.
 
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Some basic anti-allergy medications like actifed or benedryl (sp?) make me totally hallucinate which is why I can't take either.

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Even when I take Ambiern alone I hallucinate. The Air Force flight surgeons prescribe it to us when we swap from flying mornings to nights(or vice versa). The first time I took it, I went to the chow hall afterwards. I was about 20 minutes into eating my meal when I started seeing my untouched fork start moving. I quickly got up to leave, as I was walking my tray across the room I dropped everything off of it. My motor skills were completely shot, I felt completely drunk. Ambioen is out of your system in 6 hours, luckily
 
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