Hearing loss?
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Grabo172
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Here's a link to FAR 67
and here's what it says about hearing... so as long as this fits, he'll be OK for a third calss medical.
§ 67.305 Ear, nose, throat, and equilibrium.
Ear, nose, throat, and equilibrium standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
(a) The person shall demonstrate acceptable hearing by at least one of the following tests:
(1) Demonstrate an ability to hear an average conversational voice in a quiet room, using both ears, at a distance of 6 feet from the examiner, with the back turned to the examiner.
(2) Demonstrate an acceptable understanding of speech as determined by audiometric speech discrimination testing to a score of at least 70 percent obtained in one ear or in a sound field environment.
(3) Provide acceptable results of pure tone audiometric testing of unaided hearing acuity according to the following table of worst acceptable thresholds, using the calibration standards of the American National Standards Institute, 1969:
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500 1000 2000 3000
Frequency (Hz) Hz Hz Hz Hz
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Better ear (Db)............................... 35 30 30 40
Poorer ear (Db)............................... 35 50 50 60
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(b) No disease or condition of the middle or internal ear, nose, oral cavity, pharynx, or larynx that—
(1) Interferes with, or is aggravated by, flying or may reasonably be expected to do so; or
(2) Interferes with clear and effective speech communication.
(c) No disease or condition manifested by, or that may reasonably be expected to be manifested by, vertigo or a disturbance of equilibrium.
and here's what it says about hearing... so as long as this fits, he'll be OK for a third calss medical.
§ 67.305 Ear, nose, throat, and equilibrium.
Ear, nose, throat, and equilibrium standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
(a) The person shall demonstrate acceptable hearing by at least one of the following tests:
(1) Demonstrate an ability to hear an average conversational voice in a quiet room, using both ears, at a distance of 6 feet from the examiner, with the back turned to the examiner.
(2) Demonstrate an acceptable understanding of speech as determined by audiometric speech discrimination testing to a score of at least 70 percent obtained in one ear or in a sound field environment.
(3) Provide acceptable results of pure tone audiometric testing of unaided hearing acuity according to the following table of worst acceptable thresholds, using the calibration standards of the American National Standards Institute, 1969:
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500 1000 2000 3000
Frequency (Hz) Hz Hz Hz Hz
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Better ear (Db)............................... 35 30 30 40
Poorer ear (Db)............................... 35 50 50 60
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(b) No disease or condition of the middle or internal ear, nose, oral cavity, pharynx, or larynx that—
(1) Interferes with, or is aggravated by, flying or may reasonably be expected to do so; or
(2) Interferes with clear and effective speech communication.
(c) No disease or condition manifested by, or that may reasonably be expected to be manifested by, vertigo or a disturbance of equilibrium.
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I need the regulations on this subject. My brother-in-law wants to get a private license, but has scar tissue in one of his ears. Can someone post a few links, so I can do some further research? Thanks.
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I've got scar tissue in my right ear from lots of ear infections when I was a kid.
I need the regulations on this subject. My brother-in-law wants to get a private license, but has scar tissue in one of his ears. Can someone post a few links, so I can do some further research? Thanks.
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I've got scar tissue in my right ear from lots of ear infections when I was a kid.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Same here. I actually got one of my ear drums ruptured by one of my friends a few summers ago. Turns out he boxed my ears and put a hole in the left one. It healed itself up, and I can hear fine now (I had to keep water out of it for 8 weeks). It was a real small hole. But honestly, I had scar tissue on my ear drums before that from having tubes in my ears as a kid.
Turns out now I've got a slight amount of hearing loss. It's in the 20-26 hz range. You know where it came from? Having my ears boxed by my friend a few summers ago. I've been a drummer for 5 years and figured that would have ripped apart my hearing, but the little hearing loss I have was from having a hole in my ear.
Should be cool as long as he can hear a regular conversation.
Cheers
John Herreshoff
Turns out now I've got a slight amount of hearing loss. It's in the 20-26 hz range. You know where it came from? Having my ears boxed by my friend a few summers ago. I've been a drummer for 5 years and figured that would have ripped apart my hearing, but the little hearing loss I have was from having a hole in my ear.
Should be cool as long as he can hear a regular conversation.
Cheers
John Herreshoff
The scar tissue on the ear drum is pretty familiar to me, also.
I originally punctured my right ear drum while barefoot waterskiing. Actually did it a couple of times. Then the scar tissue made the ear drum weak enough that I started breaking it on hard falls while slalom skiing (used to do competitive skiing, and you can get some pretty good speed going). After a total of seven punctures over about a 10 year period, I figured out that one of those big wax ear plugs that fill the entire ear cavity do the job of protecting what's left of that ear drum. Yeah, I'm slow - kinda confirms the moron thing, I guess.
There is some hearing loss in that ear. I can still pass the "conversational voice" test (or whatever they call it) in the FAA exam, though. Really, it comes in pretty handy when I'm traveling and staying in hotels. I just sleep with my good ear down on the pillow and it cuts the extraneous outside noise about in half...
I don't recommend the punctured ear-drum method of sleep promotion, though. The pain that kicks in about 3 to 4 hours after puncturing is as bad as anything I've ever suffered with. It got to the point where I knew how long I could go before I needed the Tylenol 3 with Codeine. "Well guys, I'm done for the day 'cause I just blew out my eardrum again. Yeah, I can spot you for two more sets, then I have to head for the Med Center before the pain starts."
I originally punctured my right ear drum while barefoot waterskiing. Actually did it a couple of times. Then the scar tissue made the ear drum weak enough that I started breaking it on hard falls while slalom skiing (used to do competitive skiing, and you can get some pretty good speed going). After a total of seven punctures over about a 10 year period, I figured out that one of those big wax ear plugs that fill the entire ear cavity do the job of protecting what's left of that ear drum. Yeah, I'm slow - kinda confirms the moron thing, I guess.
There is some hearing loss in that ear. I can still pass the "conversational voice" test (or whatever they call it) in the FAA exam, though. Really, it comes in pretty handy when I'm traveling and staying in hotels. I just sleep with my good ear down on the pillow and it cuts the extraneous outside noise about in half...
I don't recommend the punctured ear-drum method of sleep promotion, though. The pain that kicks in about 3 to 4 hours after puncturing is as bad as anything I've ever suffered with. It got to the point where I knew how long I could go before I needed the Tylenol 3 with Codeine. "Well guys, I'm done for the day 'cause I just blew out my eardrum again. Yeah, I can spot you for two more sets, then I have to head for the Med Center before the pain starts."
Gonzorox
New Member
I have searched for websites with info on this but haven't had much luck.
I myself have had about 8(I actually lost count) surgeries on both ears over the course of about 20 years. I have had a lot of work done and still routinely need to check with my specialist. Today, I have very little problem, just some hearing loss. Having said this, I have passed the 1st class medical with no problem. Also, one thing I would suggest, is to go to an audiologist and bring the FAR's along. This way the hearing can be checked and you can discuss the requirements of the FAR's with a doctor.
I don't even recall having my hearing tested at all in any aviation medical(even while indicating on the initial report). Except my first medical, he asked me to repeat the word "Ice Cream", I didn't hear what he said so I asked HIM to repeat the word!! DOH!
I myself have had about 8(I actually lost count) surgeries on both ears over the course of about 20 years. I have had a lot of work done and still routinely need to check with my specialist. Today, I have very little problem, just some hearing loss. Having said this, I have passed the 1st class medical with no problem. Also, one thing I would suggest, is to go to an audiologist and bring the FAR's along. This way the hearing can be checked and you can discuss the requirements of the FAR's with a doctor.
I don't even recall having my hearing tested at all in any aviation medical(even while indicating on the initial report). Except my first medical, he asked me to repeat the word "Ice Cream", I didn't hear what he said so I asked HIM to repeat the word!! DOH!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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What about conditions like tinnitus (ringing in the ears)? Does that affect getting medicals?
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As long as you don't have large (radical, even) amounts of hearing loss associated with tinnitus. Like John, I played in a band in HS, but not quite the same. I was lead guitar in a metal/prog rock band with large amps. I started using custom fitted ear plugs after I noticed the ringing wasn't going away the next morning. I'm also one of the lucky ones that the tinnitus has almost totally gone away.
What about conditions like tinnitus (ringing in the ears)? Does that affect getting medicals?
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As long as you don't have large (radical, even) amounts of hearing loss associated with tinnitus. Like John, I played in a band in HS, but not quite the same. I was lead guitar in a metal/prog rock band with large amps. I started using custom fitted ear plugs after I noticed the ringing wasn't going away the next morning. I'm also one of the lucky ones that the tinnitus has almost totally gone away.
Sime
New Member
I played drums too for 5 years solid back in the 80's, and then on and off for another 5 years.
That, coupled with me DJ'ing in clubs and corporate functions for 8 years, loud car stereo's, nightclubs, concerts, shooting....you really start to value hearing protection! That's another reason why I purchased an ANR headset. After about 10 hours of taking flying lessons, the 24db Sennheiser HME-100 headset that I had just wasn't cutting it!
Cheers,
That, coupled with me DJ'ing in clubs and corporate functions for 8 years, loud car stereo's, nightclubs, concerts, shooting....you really start to value hearing protection! That's another reason why I purchased an ANR headset. After about 10 hours of taking flying lessons, the 24db Sennheiser HME-100 headset that I had just wasn't cutting it!
Cheers,
bullmastiff
New Member
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I played drums too for 5 years solid back in the 80's, and then on and off for another 5 years.
That, coupled with me DJ'ing in clubs and corporate functions for 8 years, loud car stereo's, nightclubs, concerts, shooting....you really start to value hearing protection! That's another reason why I purchased an ANR headset. After about 10 hours of taking flying lessons, the 24db Sennheiser HME-100 headset that I had just wasn't cutting it!
Cheers,
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Did you DJ at any clubs in the "D"?
I played drums too for 5 years solid back in the 80's, and then on and off for another 5 years.
That, coupled with me DJ'ing in clubs and corporate functions for 8 years, loud car stereo's, nightclubs, concerts, shooting....you really start to value hearing protection! That's another reason why I purchased an ANR headset. After about 10 hours of taking flying lessons, the 24db Sennheiser HME-100 headset that I had just wasn't cutting it!
Cheers,
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Did you DJ at any clubs in the "D"?
Minima-No-Contact
Well-Known Member
Hi all,
My question is on behalf of my Girlfriend, who has just been told she only has 10% hearing in her left ear.
We only got this diagnosis today, so we are in the early stages of looking for answers as to what to do next (the doctor was useless for info).
A little background... she woke up one morning to discover she couldn't hear out of her left ear, we thought that it might be some sort of congestion at the time. The next day she went to the doctor where they wrongly advised her that it should clear in a few days. It didn't, 2nd doctor said the same and not to worry.
Now the 3rd doctor... he says something isn't right, so we she is now off to the specialist. He confirms the lack of hearing in the left ear and basically sends my very upset Girlfriend home with not a whole lot of hope or any types of solutions, apart from a hearing aid! I wish I could have been there
So my friends, is there anyone else out there who has been through something similar in the past or knows someone who has?
We are desperate for answers at the moment, obviously we will be seeking a 2nd opinion from another specialist but for the next few days I guess we'll be searching the net for info.
Any feed back appreciated.
Cheers,
MNC... and Girlfriend
My question is on behalf of my Girlfriend, who has just been told she only has 10% hearing in her left ear.
We only got this diagnosis today, so we are in the early stages of looking for answers as to what to do next (the doctor was useless for info).
A little background... she woke up one morning to discover she couldn't hear out of her left ear, we thought that it might be some sort of congestion at the time. The next day she went to the doctor where they wrongly advised her that it should clear in a few days. It didn't, 2nd doctor said the same and not to worry.
Now the 3rd doctor... he says something isn't right, so we she is now off to the specialist. He confirms the lack of hearing in the left ear and basically sends my very upset Girlfriend home with not a whole lot of hope or any types of solutions, apart from a hearing aid! I wish I could have been there
So my friends, is there anyone else out there who has been through something similar in the past or knows someone who has?
We are desperate for answers at the moment, obviously we will be seeking a 2nd opinion from another specialist but for the next few days I guess we'll be searching the net for info.
Any feed back appreciated.
Cheers,
MNC... and Girlfriend
