Hawker 900XP

I guess, maybe the interior is a little different? Regardless, I don't know much about the Hawker family as a whole, and judging by your avatar, you fly one, and enjoy wearing snazzy hats.
 
We have a couple of honeywell 800xps. I think the only difference between the 800 and the 850 is avionics, some memory items, and after a certain serial number they dropped the standby inverter. There might be a couple of other things, but all minor. 850s also got the short stubby factory winglets. The taller winglets are all aftermarket aviation's partners winglets. They claim a bit of a range increase with the factory winglet.

As far as I know, the 900 is the same as the 850, with better engines. I haven't flown one, but they claim another range increase due to better time to climb performance.

750 is the same as the 850 without the ventral fuel tank, reducing about 1500# capacity. I think they had shorter legs within Europe in mind when they made it.

Hawkers are well mannered and fly great. Nothing poor to say about the handling characteristics.

The bad- tks. Hate it. Works fine, but if you go to unusual places, it can become difficult to come by. It can suck always having to fill it. It would be great if it had another hour of range. Realistically, it's a 6 hour airplane and time to find some fuel. It's comfortable, but people can't bring too much stuff, as the baggage area is limited. Its also a bit slow. We typically get around .77, occasionally .78. Lrc is in the .69-.71 or so range.

I think they changed the lav service on the 850-900 as well, on the 800 it's less than ideal. The occasional line guy gets a shower if they haven't serviced one before.
 
gne in prog said:
We have a couple of honeywell 800xps. I think the only difference between the 800 and the 850 is avionics, some memory items, and after a certain serial number they dropped the standby inverter. There might be a couple of other things, but all minor. 850s also got the short stubby factory winglets. The taller winglets are all aftermarket aviation's partners winglets. They claim a bit of a range increase with the factory winglet.

As far as I know, the 900 is the same as the 850, with better engines. I haven't flown one, but they claim another range increase due to better time to climb performance.

750 is the same as the 850 without the ventral fuel tank, reducing about 1500# capacity. I think they had shorter legs within Europe in mind when they made it.

Hawkers are well mannered and fly great. Nothing poor to say about the handling characteristics.

The bad- tks. Hate it. Works fine, but if you go to unusual places, it can become difficult to come by. It can suck always having to fill it. It would be great if it had another hour of range. Realistically, it's a 6 hour airplane and time to find some fuel. It's comfortable, but people can't bring too much stuff, as the baggage area is limited. Its also a bit slow. We typically get around .77, occasionally .78. Lrc is in the .69-.71 or so range.

I think they changed the lav service on the 850-900 as well, on the 800 it's less than ideal. The occasional line guy gets a shower if they haven't serviced one before.
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Thanks for the info!
 
We've been having problems with freezing of the blue juice fill port on our 850XP. Not a big deal in the summer when it melts in 20 minutes, but in the winter, it could take a couple days in the hangar before you can refill it.

As mentioned, the 900 has the TFE731-50BR engines. They're flat rated to 4,660 lbs at sea level and can maintain that up into the mid 30s. Really cuts down on time to climb and in turn your first hour fuel burn. Just like the Blackhawk King Air conversion; you make your extra range in time to climb. There are some additional annunciators (6 I believe; 3 for each engine) on the overhead for the newer DEECs. There is a three position ignition switch (ON, AUTO, OFF) as opposed to the two position (ON, OFF) in the earlier models.

The 750 has the pannier baggage (heated, pressurized and fire protected) in place of the ventral tank.

You can tell a 900XP on the ramp by looking for the scimitar N1 fan blades. The 850XP have the puny winglets and the thigh stabber (vortilon). The 750 looks just like an 800XP but has the pannier baggage door. The 800XP has no winglets (unless they're the big APIs) and the thigh stabber. The 800A has the stall fence on top of the wing. The 700s have the old style cockpit windows. The 1A looks like a damn tank and is as loud as a Lear 24/25.

And with ALL that thrust from the -50BRs, you STILL can't use engine bleed air to pressurize for takeoff and landing. Welcome to an airplane that's got 1,000 different factory mods so it can operate on the original HS-125 type certificate.
 
It would be a long, cramped trip, but could be done. Obviously the various disclaimers about alternates apply.

I will say that of all the issues we've had with our 850XP, the ones that occur the most have been with the pressurization system; bad mixing valves, PRSOVs, main air valves. Nothing to cause a high dive, but nusciances nonetheless. Other recurring issues have been the HF not tuning and the APU failing to start after pulling it out of the hangar in the winter.

I dont know how other manufacturers are, but it seems HBC is notorious for yellow tagging parts that haven't been fixed since they were pulled off the last AOG airplane.
 
Bringing this back from the dead.....I understand there is a baggage compartment in the aft part of the cabin of the 900XP that the older versions of the Hawker does not have. (Yes, I know the 750 has the external baggage, but this isn't that) How useable is this compartment? I know that baggage has always been an issue with the HS125 family.
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
What are your collective opinions on taking a 900XP across the Atlantic?
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Just saw this question. I've got a few hundred crossings in hawkers. Never been an issue going east, going west I've seen Iceland several times to keep dry footprints.

Gander has good ice-cream.

Can't answer your 900 baggage question.
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
Bringing this back from the dead.....I understand there is a baggage compartment in the aft part of the cabin of the 900XP that the older versions of the Hawker does not have. (Yes, I know the 750 has the external baggage, but this isn't that) How useable is this compartment? I know that baggage has always been an issue with the HS125 family.
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There is a "coat closet" across from the divan and a potty closet across from the crapper. Either one of those is where our bags go most of the time. The two are interconnected and separated by a removable cargo net. If you want to get a peek at the boss' wife...just kidding.

On the 1000, there is also an aft-aft baggage that is externally accessible through a shoebox size door behind the wing.
 
gne in prog said:
Just saw this question. I've got a few hundred crossings in hawkers. Never been an issue going east, going west I've seen Iceland several times to keep dry footprints.

Gander has good ice-cream.

Can't answer your 900 baggage question.
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How far into Europe can you make it from Gander? Much beyond the UK?
 
gne in prog said:
Gander has good ice-cream.
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They also have the weirdest albeit nicest people. I was at a hotel bar and saw a funny sticker, I read aloud "Winglets are for " and snickered. The dude next to me without missing a beat says "What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet?"

I tried to think of something creative and witty to say, but had nothing and went with the actual definition.

There seems to be only one bar in that entire city, and their wings SUCKED! :D
 
If you have seen one hawker...then you have seen one hawker. :) That's about all I can say from my experience flying Hawkers. Great handling airplane though.
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
How far into Europe can you make it from Gander? Much beyond the UK?
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East bound, you can make it pretty far, depending on winds and if you want to go to lrc. France, Germany, no problem, Italy if you have decent winds. Europe is easy in hawker, the pacific sucks, and requires a lot more planning and unusual fuel stops.

Mikey_G said:
They also have the weirdest albeit nicest people. I was at a hotel bar and saw a funny sticker, I read aloud "Winglets are for " and snickered. The dude next to me without missing a beat says "What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet? What's a winglet?"

I tried to think of something creative and witty to say, but had nothing and went with the actual definition.

There seems to be only one bar in that entire city, and their wings SUCKED! :D
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I spent three days there in the dead of winter once. Toured the oceanic control center, which was really interesting, went to the pizza joint in the "mall" next to the wal-mart, and then had 2 and a half days left, with nothing left to see.
 
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