Having the best of both worlds

mrivc211

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While I await a class date, I think more and more about the industry and about what some of my peers have said. As Doug and many others have said for years, don't throw all your eggs in one basket. I've always had this thought in the back of my mind, but going through my ratings and only in my early twenties, it didn't really sink in seriously until recently.

When I first started flying just a few years ago, my main concern was how long away I'd be from home. Now it's if the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. Money can only help the sacrifice so much. But when the money begins to dry up, things come to change real fast. And no, don't get the wrong idea......I"m not quitting. Hence, the title of the post, the best of both worlds.

Instead of deciding on a career change, I began to weigh out different things. This process began a few months ago. I looked at how the pay at the majors wasn't what it used to be. And from the looks of it, it ain't going back to the old days of a 5th year FO flying a 737 making $1xx,xxx's. Off the top of my head, I saw something like a United FO that had been around for 8 years still making something like $80,000 a year. Thats a lot of sacrifice and responsibility for only $80,000. Many years of training...yadda yadda yadda....you've all heard it before.

So I'll cut to the chase. Here are the two choices. Fly for a regional for a while, build up your PIC turbine time then try and make it into a cut throat major that only pays a little more, and live in who knows what domicile. My second option thats sounding more inticing is stay at Skywest, fly an RJ for about $50-60K a year. Have the base I want(I'm from california and we have a lot of cali bases here), have somewhat of a good seniority number in just about 5 years or so. Work 4 days a week and have 3 off. Heres the kicker that makes this all work. Having a side business that brings in not a ton of cash, but supplements my income just enough to where I"m satisfied.

I've been working on that side business for a few months now. Theres been a couple of different things lurking around in my head, both seem somewhat promising. My target is to make anywhere from $25-50,000/year in addition to what I make at SKYW. With it, I'd like to invest in real estate and set up rental properties. Sounds like a lot of work, but if you want to retire early, its what you've got to do. You've got to remember, SKYW doesn't offer a pension like a major would, so you've gotta make up for it in different ways.

This all seems optimistic, and my plan is not to tell everyone on the internet about what my life plan is. But what I am trying to do is hopefully better inform others out there that it might not be such a bad idea. Use your heads. You'll be surprised at what you can accomoplish if you think outside the box and don't listen to people for a change. So what is the best of both worlds for me? Being able to fly a plane, have a life, make decent money, and be home more often than a pilot should. The best of both worlds.

I hope that some of you will begin to weigh your options as well. Aviation is changing as we know it and adjustments have to be made. I'd like to hear some of your thoughts and ideas of sticking with a regional.

Now.......on with game 3 of the finals......go Lakers!
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Your real estate idea is something that interests me, also. I have always been amazed at how much values of property can change. I see houses in my area selling for 30% more than they were just 5 years ago. The house my parents own now and that I live in has paid for ITSELF 5 times!!! It's worth 5 times more than it was less than 30 years ago. Quite an investment. Can you explain a little bit about how to get involved in that business? Or a good resource to go to?
 
Good Luck MRIVC211!!
Your right, the days of making huge amounts of money in the majors is as good as over. Well here in Oz, QF still pays well, but Virgin blue and Jetstar pretty much pay like what you said, 60K for FO on 737.
Getting in is very hard, whereas a regional captain makes 75-80K and that may happen in 5-6yrs of being with the company. Get yourself a income on the side, and your set.
Regional, you home a hell of a lot more too, like you said!!!


Good on ya and good luck!!!
 
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I'd like to hear some of your thoughts and ideas of sticking with a regional.


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I think it sounds good. I have got a later start than some (35), so I may be past the age where I can climb the ranks at a major. Right now the regional route is where I can see myself going. I am just about to wrap up my IFR training and then it will be on to the commercial. If you can make somewhat decent coin and still maintain some quality of life at home that may be the route to go. Six figures would be nice, but if the quality of life is now what you are looking for, then is it really worth it.

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I'd like to hear some of your thoughts and ideas of sticking with a regional.


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I think it sounds good. I have got a later start than some (35), so I may be past the age where I can climb the ranks at a major. Right now the regional route is where I can see myself going. I am just about to wrap up my IFR training and then it will be on to the commercial. If you can make somewhat decent coin and still maintain some quality of life at home that may be the route to go. Six figures would be nice, but if the quality of life is now what you are looking for, then is it really worth it.

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I'm in the same boat. I'm 38 and plan on starting my training end of this year or early next year at ATP (I hope). I've pretty much decided to stay at a regional if and when I get there.
 
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I've been working on that side business for a few months now.

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Me too, I am into import/export mainly out of Columbia my boss has my plane loaded for me and I am requested never to inquire as to the cargo, I've heard that it is a white powdery substance that is very popular in america.
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All joking aside, thats a good outlook/strategy mrivc211. I wish you lots of luck with Skywest!!!
 
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And the Lakers are NOT looking good

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We'll see who has the last laugh.
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looks like the pistons baby. Lakers got their butt's handed to them tonight.
 
yeh sounds kind of like my personnal plans to work for an airline, and getting all my ratings before I reach age 22. (7 years from now!), and hpefully get hired before I even get an ATP....... and invest in Real estate for extra income (By the way who knows how long this real estate "boom" will last, since everything these days are so damn competitive), or some other kind of business.
 
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It's worth 5 times more than it was less than 30 years ago. Quite an investment.

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Not really. Lets say you could do two different things...take 5,000 and put it down on a $100k house, or take your 5000 and put it into an index fund with an average return of 11% per year since 1929.

Let's assume you can get a nice low mortage of 6%. Your monthly P&I would be $569/mo. So, if you bought the house and paid $569 per month for 30 years and the house went up in value five times you'd end up with $500,000. However, if you put $5,000 in an index fund and then added the same amount each month for thirty years you'd have $1.7 million. Don't forget that on the house you also have to pay taxes, utilities, repairs...etc. Yes, you can make money in real estate, but my point is that increasing your money five times in thirty years isn't that great.
 
This sounds like a very solid plan to me.

The major advantage is that the whole picture of the airline industry will be in sharper focus in about 2 - 3 years. The winners and losers might be surprising.

Disadvantage. If you wanted to take a chance and pick who you think would be a winner, go with them, and you're right, you'll be way ahead in the game. Maybe you see Skywest as a long term winner.

Either way having something on the side is smart.
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yeh sounds kind of like my personnal plans to work for an airline, and getting all my ratings before I reach age 22. (7 years from now!), and hpefully get hired before I even get an ATP....... and invest in Real estate for extra income (By the way who knows how long this real estate "boom" will last, since everything these days are so damn competitive), or some other kind of business.

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You may be in the best position of all of us. First you are extremely confident, so you got that goin for ya.

Second, by the time you are ready to do anything this industry will have had it's shakeout and amny of the current players will be dim memories. Watching that all unfold will give you a big advantage.
 
Why are you so stuck on just airline flying? There is life outside the airline world...

Our new guys (day 1) start off in the mid-$80,000 range with full benefits, 4 1/2 weeks of vacation time and average 16-17 days OFF a month, we average about 6 RON's per month (that means sleeping in your own bed about 24 days a month)... We don't have to commute to work... Annual COL raises are typically in the 4-5% range, annual bonuses have been running over 10%, there is also opportunities for various promotions and such to further increase the amount of your pay... Not to mention the company funded pension AND matching 401k contributions...

Additionally I have my own side business... Not because I need the money, but because I want something to do during my time off... So the side business concept works well in this area too...

There is life outside the airlines... It can be quite lucrative and enjoyable, you just gotta know where to look...

Corporate Aviation - One of the best kept secrets in flying...
 
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looks like the pistons baby. Lakers got their butt's handed to them tonight.

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We should seriously be looking at a sweep. By Detroit. I mean, they gagged in game two. Don't do that, and it's a three games to none lead for them.
 
You know how killer that would be if we sweep the next two games at home? I swear, I'll have to light a couch on fire for something like that!
 
Again... FalconCapt (and C650Capt.). = my hero(s).

Seriously, at 39, and on the verge of STARTING instructing, I don't see the financial benefit to staying with a regional for life only to squeak out $60K upon my retirement.

I may START at a regional as a turbine-time builder, but as of right now, my end-focus is most definitely leaning towards corporate flying.

More than likely though, I'll bypass the regional rout altogether and do the charter thing.

BUT, that's just me:

That said: Mrivc - I've really grown to enjoy your posts! You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and that'll take you a long way in life. Keep it up, bro and best of luck!!!

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More than likely though, I'll bypass the regional rout altogether and do the charter thing.

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Typically flying Charter will give you a much better background for Corporate Aviation then the Regionals will... Corporate Operators generally like to see Charter type flying since the equipment and job more closely match Corporate flying then the Regionals do...
 
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at 39, and on the verge of STARTING instructing, I don't see the financial benefit to staying with a regional for life only to squeak out $60K upon my retirement.

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For reference, I am 36 and making more than double the number you posted here... You will certainly do better financially (at your age) in Corporate than you will at the Regionals...
 
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