Haven't seen it posted here yet:

B767

B767

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ASA has lowered their mins to:

Minimums for Advanced Jet Training:
A multi-engine commercial instrument rating and completion of an advanced jet course is sufficient for an interview.
  • No minimum flight time requirement
Saw it on another board and had to check it out...couldn't believe it! They're the first, but i highly doubt they'll be the last. :banghead:
 
Like I said at the other place.

This could put a 190 hour pilot, plus an RJ course, into the right seat of a shiny jet.

And the bar continues to be lowered.....
 
BobDDuck said:
Our mins were that low for a few months but the sim wash out rate went up so much that they raised them back up a bit.
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Here's what I don't get.

I have no idea what the sim washout rate is at Airnet, but plenty of people don't make the cut. This is in a Frasca, training to fly a Baron.

I'm amazed that low hours guys actually pass sim training at the regional level. Not that I think flying an RJ sim is harder per say, but the systems are certainly more complicated, and the speeds are much faster (except on approach ;)). Plus you still have to know and apply all the "rule - types" the 135 guys do. How are the ones passing, passing?
 
Ian J said:
And that ain't good. More and more it's looking like you're going to have to buy your way into an interview.
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Well how is it any different than paying $10k for 100 multi - I mean that's buying your time too. At the risk of offending the purists here, it's still training.
 
Yeah, but you don't pay 10k for 100 multi if you MEI it.

And you won't pay a dime for 1000+ multi if you part 135 it.

Paying for a certificate or rating is one thing, paying for an interview is another.

Just my opinion - no harm no foul for those who pay. I don't have to pay for anything, so it ain't about me. I just think it sucks the new guys do. More loans and little money to pay them off - many of them at such a young age.
 
Ian J said:
Yeah, but you don't pay 10k for 100 multi if you MEI it.

And you won't pay a dime for 1000+ multi if you part 135 it.

Paying for a certificate or rating is one thing, paying for an interview is another.

Just my opinion - no harm no foul for those who pay. I don't have to pay for anything, so it ain't about me. I just think it sucks the new guys do. More loans and little money to pay them off - many of them at such a young age.
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To play devil's advocate here, though, these RJ courses cost roughly the same as CFI training.
 
Okay, but with CFI training you get an FAA certificate out of it. With an RJ course, you get preferential interviews.

The CFI cert, if renewed, is good for life. The RJ course is useful once at the beginning of your career.

And, if the CFI cert is actually utilized, you will gain experience you can't put a dollar amount on.
 
Ian J said:
Okay, but with CFI training you get an FAA certificate out of it. With an RJ course, you get preferential interviews.

The CFI cert, if renewed, is good for life. The RJ course is useful once at the beginning of your career.

And, if the CFI cert is actually utilized, you will gain experience you can't put a dollar amount on.
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Oh there's no doubt some worthy discussion of the worth of one versus the other, but I was just pointing out that any training beyond the comm rating is technically "paying for a job"
 
I guess we'll just disagree then - I view paying for the CFI as paying for a certificate. In my opinion there's a huge difference.

In the end though, the RJ courses are about one thing - money. Do people get training by taking them? Sure. But in what aircraft? I'm not up on my RJs - CRJs, ERJs, 200s, 700s, 1000s - I don't know which has what seats and what engines and whatever. I do know they are different.

Better qualified airline applicants don't need an RJ course because the airline will train you in their regs and in their specific aircraft.

Besides a generic college course entitled "intro to jet aircraft," I can't see much of a use in that.
 
Murdoughnut said:
Oh there's no doubt some worthy discussion of the worth of one versus the other, but I was just pointing out that any training beyond the comm rating is technically "paying for a job"
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No.

I believe PSA has the above minimums quoted on APC also, but I'm not sure... and too lazy to check.
 
I personally would not put my family on a regional jet unless the crew has 1000 hours - maybe we should create a public awareness campaign for the public.
 
Murdoughnut said:
To play devil's advocate here, though, these RJ courses cost roughly the same as CFI training.
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Here's exactly what an RJ course is. It's a Gleim for training at a regional. Does not actually increase your abilities much, just allows you to have a heads up on what is coming up in training. Its sad to see so much importance put on something so useless.
 
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