Has it come to this?

H46Bubba said:
Loved living in PTC for the most part! Not busy, close to the airport, very little traffic, nice neighborhoods, and little crime if any. The schools are top notch, but due to not getting federal grant money due to the lack of low income kids, they always had their hand out for money when they could. Expensive field trip fees! Too many ex-sorority girls involved in PTA and school activities. It was nauseating going to back to school night or any other activities where parents were in attendance!
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Yeah. Thankfully I didn't have to deal with any of the school related stuff. But I was a single guy sitting on reserve and bored out of my mind. So for me it was just trophy wives in large SUVs.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yeah. Thankfully I didn't have to deal with any of the school related stuff. But I was a single guy sitting on reserve and bored out of my mind. So for me it was just trophy wives in large SUVs.
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mikecweb said:
I'm still not seeing the issue.
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@Screaming_Emu had the tools at his disposal and failed to achieve the transition from poor regional pilot to well-kept regional pilot rockstar.

#FAIL
 
DE727UPS said:
Well, yeah. On the 727 we didn't have no VNAV or FMC. It was three to one and make your crossing. So, I had to do numbers in my head to look at my DME and altitude to figure out if I was going to make the crossing. It really wasn't a big deal. But someone decided to make beer cans out of 727's and I had to move on. Such is life.
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As you know, if you don't do those old-school rule of thumb cross-checks in the new school world you'll end up violated, or at least scrambling, via self-induced shenanigans.

As to the arm-wrestling match...
What I've seen over the years as an instructor in a primarily civilian airline, and now one that is more military culture slanted, it's separating ants from elephants during school.

I agree with what @Seggy said, with the exception that it's not military dependant.

It applies to ANYONE at their first airline job. However, nothing shows up until FBS or oral time, at which point it's almost too late. On occasion you have the folks that can explain the gauge of wire leading to a fuel pump, but no clue when to turn it on. After asking questions, those individuals typically turn out studying alone.
 
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Screaming_Emu said:
Ugh, when I was a surejet new hire I didn't know much about the place. Found a good deal on a place to rent in PTC....

And that's why I hate suburbia.
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The city is actually very nice, in my opinion. It's just the people there who suck. It's the kind of place where every house has an overpriced minivan parked in the garage, and all of those minivans have pretentious stick figure families on the windows. Ugh.
 
A good friend, who flew 74s internationally with both PAX and freight, bought his first computer. It took me a while to disabuse him of the concept that he had to know all the internal systems before he could turn it on.

Dude, it's like a car. not a Boeing: gas in one end, a key in the other, and point it.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Which part of what I wrote do you feel is 'coming out of the ass'?


Sorry your mother had a problem with helicopter parents. Honestly, I'd rather have a helicopter parent than not... at least it means there is someone in the house watching how the kid is being raised and taught.

You "know with authority"? What authority would that be? :rolleyes:
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My mother is an Ed.D. That means she has a PH.D in Special Education. I'll grant you that I'm no authority myself, but have a wealth of second hand knowledge, from talking to her. And also being bored academically and testing out of some of my regular level courses and being placed in Honors classes.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Which part of what I wrote do you feel is 'coming out of the ass'?


Sorry your mother had a problem with helicopter parents. Honestly, I'd rather have a helicopter parent than not... at least it means there is someone in the house watching how the kid is being raised and taught.

You "know with authority"? What authority would that be? :rolleyes:
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The problem related to these "helicopter parents" was that they didn't want to give natural consequences to their child. If my mom gave them a B and they really earned that grade the parents were in her face making excuses for the child, and demanding that she change their grade. When she stuck to her guns, they would go up the food chain to administration, who would then pressure her to change the grade. It was an adversarial relationship all the way around on one side with the parents and the other side with administration that seemed to back the parents more than their own teacher. And that was just one scenario out of many. Parents need to allow their kids to make mistakes and more importantly learn from them, instead of trying to fix their child's problem for them. It breeds an attitude of arrogance, entitlement and really just ruins the kid if they think they can get out of everything by threatening staff with the possibility of their parents riding in to their rescue when it isn't always merited.
 
Polar742 said:
As you know, if you don't do those old-school rule of thumb cross-checks in the new school world you'll end up violated, or at least scrambling, via self-induced shenanigans.

As to the arm-wrestling match...
What I've seen over the years as an instructor in a primarily civilian airline, and now one that is more military culture slanted, it's separating ants from elephants during school.

I agree with what @Seggy said, with the exception that it's not military dependant.

It applies to ANYONE at their first airline job. However, nothing shows up until FBS or oral time, at which point it's almost too late. On occasion you have the folks that can explain the gauge of wire leading to a fuel pump, but no clue when to turn it on. After asking questions, those individuals typically turn out studying alone.
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A common scenario:

"Acey xxxx cross xxx at 12k/250kts."

Altitude dialed in, crossing restrictions casually thrown in the box.

FMS updates Advisory VNAV a couple seconds later

Thrust levers slapped to Idle, 4500ft per min descent quickly commanded, boards abruptly to full up

:D
 
Trip7 said:
A common scenario:

"Acey xxxx cross xxx at 12k/250kts."

Altitude dialed in, crossing restrictions casually thrown in the box.

FMS updates Advisory VNAV a couple seconds later

Thrust levers slapped to Idle, 4500ft per min descent quickly commanded, boards abruptly to full up

:D
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Poor descent planning, lol? ;)

Why not just use the boards to get down fast?
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
My mother is an Ed.D. That means she has a PH.D in Special Education. I'll grant you that I'm no authority myself, but have a wealth of second hand knowledge, from talking to her. And also being bored academically and testing out of some of my regular level courses and being placed in Honors classes.
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What does this have anything to do with what I wrote previously when you first had a problem with what I wrote? What does Special Ed have to do with any of it?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What does this have anything to do with what I wrote previously when you first had a problem with what I wrote? What does Special Ed have to do with any of it?
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You asked with what 'authority' that I knew about bright kids often not being stimulated/challenged enough and making bad grades. I gave up my mothers credentials. I then amended my original claim of 'authority' to just having second hand knowledge, due to having a mother who has both a background in psychology and Special Education and speaking with her about it in length on numerous occasions. But also from my own experience in both junior high and high school when I was failing out due to not being challenged academically.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
You asked with what 'authority' that I knew about bright kids often not being stimulated/challenged enough and making bad grades. I gave up my mothers credentials. I then amended my original claim of 'authority' to just having second hand knowledge, due to having a mother who has both a background in psychology and Special Education and speaking with her about it in length on numerous occasions. But also from my own experience in both junior high and high school when I was failing out due to not being challenged academically.
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Not being challenged is not an excuse for failing. If it's too easy for you, then it should be an easy A.

True story. I was excelling in 12th grade government class. It was really easy, way too easy. Every week we had one quiz of 10 questions, choices A/B/C/D. You write the letter in the appropriate number. Every quarter, your lowest quiz grade would be dropped. I had a 100% on every single quiz. So the last quiz before the quarter ended, I knew it didn't matter how low a score I got because it would be dropped.

So, I wrote..........

This class is

1. W
2. A
3. Y
4. T
5. O
6. O
7. E
8. A
9. S
10. Y

The teacher did laugh. I got a 0/10 for this quiz even though the answer to #2 was A.

Also, another true story. For entrance into honors English as opposed to regular English, we had to write an essay. I did and then later subsequently was not selected. It's one thing if they gave a reason why, but they never did. I didn't think I screwed anything up. So I got the parents involved. I did not let public schools run their quotas and restrictions as they see fit. They serve us, not the other way around. Long story short on this, due to parent intervention, I got an override into honors English. For the full year, I got a 3.9 out of 4.0 in this class (which was amongst the class highest). I graduated high school with a 3.95 out of 4.0 , on the SAT had a 1350 (back when it was still out of 1600 total), and gained admittance to a nice engineering school. At UMich AA I got my butt kicked in Aerospace eng, and got out with a rounded 3.0

So yes, I was a helicopter parent kid. But then again, we were products of public school that run all sorts of weird quotas and restrictions.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not being challenged is not an excuse for failing. If it's too easy for you, then it should be an easy A.

True story. I was excelling in 12th grade government class. It was really easy, way too easy. Every week we had one quiz of 10 questions, choices A/B/C/D. You write the letter in the appropriate number. Every quarter, your lowest quiz grade would be dropped. I had a 100% on every single quiz. So the last quiz before the quarter ended, I knew it didn't matter how low a score I got because it would be dropped.

So, I wrote..........

This class is

1. W
2. A
3. Y
4. T
5. O
6. O
7. E
8. A
9. S
10. Y

The teacher did laugh. I got a 0/10 for this quiz even though the answer to #2 was A.

Also, another true story. For entrance into honors English as opposed to regular English, we had to write an essay. I did and then later subsequently was not selected. It's one thing if they gave a reason why, but they never did. I didn't think I screwed anything up. So I got the parents involved. I did not let public schools run their quotas and restrictions as they see fit. They serve us, not the other way around. Long story short on this, due to parent intervention, I got an override into honors English. For the full year, I got a 3.9 out of 4.0 in this class (which was amongst the class highest). I graduated high school with a 3.95 out of 4.0 , on the SAT had a 1350 (back when it was still out of 1600 total), and gained admittance to a nice engineering school. At UMich AA I got my butt kicked in Aerospace eng, and got out with a rounded 3.0
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Here's the thing though. Not everyone is you or has the same experiences that you did/do. Some kids when not challenged check out and get bad grades. While others become a disciplinary problem. While others are like, this is super easy, I'm just gonna sit back and skate and not be noticed.
 
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