Had to report two to the FSDO

[Old Pete]

More later... off to take the Swift up.

I think I heard you on the radio. I should have said, "Hi"

 

[Orange Anchor]

I think I heard you on the radio. I should have said, "Hi"

The wx at destination was so bad we had to turn back but the winds at the home-drome were so kind it made my landings look like I knew what I was doing.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Yay, Internet!

 

[Acadia]

I just realized that I never came back and gave the update that I promised. The quick synopsis is that a FSDO representative came to the site in question to document this incident and to learn about the old field. The markings in place were all by the book. The pilots got a verbal warning from the FSDO over the phone (not sure if they got a letter), but as I understand it no action was taken against their licences. Additionally, there was some discussion about how to further disseminate the status of this old field, though I don't know what that might mean other than perhaps a note on the sectional.

I think this was a good resolution. The pilots got the message without any terrible consequences and hopefully it wont ever happen again.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

This thread is more entertaining than the House of Commons!

Depends on which FSDO....

Very, very true. Things that would get you tarred and feathered in the socal metroplex might be considered ops-normal at ANC.

Many happened LONG LONG ago. And I said I was sorry. Not enough?

FWIW, I have filled out a wad of NASA ASRSs. When I first went on a highly automated airplane and the software was crap, we missed so many crossing restrictions I went ahead and just filled out a 'master' with the only thing left to fill in was the clearance and the intersection we were high on. And that TOO was a long time ago.

I carry one in my flight bag. Have only filled out one so far, and it was for something that was - "dude, I legitimately didn't know that. yipe."

Here's how the system works: If you mess up - legitimately drop the ball as opposed to deliberately bouncing it - you fess up. You fess up because (1) confession is good for the soul, and (2) others might make that same mistake. And most of us are damned serious about not making mistakes, and so want to know what mistakes are being made so that we can avoid them.

You might deserve retraining, but if you made an honest slip or mistake you don't deserve to lose your flying privileges. Now, if you have deliberately bounced the ball, you deserve to get your walkin' papers, tickets punched, Iceman telling you how dangerous you are, and the full wrath of the FAA on your tail. Am I likely to call the FAA myself if I'm not involved in a leadership/managerial position? No. I'd much rather have a "so WTF happened" sit-down and strong admonitions handed out.

(1) Was anyone hurt?
(2) Was the conduct deliberate, careless or reckless, as opposed to an oversight, mistake, or slip?

If the answer to questions (1) through (2) is no...

I just realized that I never came back and gave the update that I promised. The quick synopsis is that a FSDO representative came to the site in question to document this incident and to learn about the old field. The markings in place were all by the book. The pilots got a verbal warning from the FSDO over the phone (not sure if they got a letter), but as I understand it no action was taken against their licences.

If memory serves, the Flight Standards Service has six months to conclude an investigation and offer a certificate action UNLESS the offense involved is so grievous that action is warranted regardless of the time between violation and enforcement action.

Additionally, there was some discussion about how to further disseminate the status of this old field, though I don't know what that might mean other than perhaps a note on the sectional.

Airport-Abandoned?