Had to report two to the FSDO

Really, that is the best story they could come up with?

When in doubt, develop carb ice.

Landing on X's is pretty dumb though.
 
dustoff17 said:
Are you supposed to fly within 20 of a thunderstorm? Is an aggressive approach a similar violation compared to landing on a hiking trail? And you're assuming that a person is inexperienced if they think you're out of line.

PM me so I'll know which planes to avoid! With this attitude, I'd be glad to take another....
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Just like Spira said, every single airliner gets closer to weather than what the AIM recommends. It's not dangerous if you know what you're doing (e.g., stay on the upwind side, among other things), but it takes experience to know that.

Aggressive approach profile...actually, there's a good reason I threw that one in there. I've been called out twice by passengers (one a low-time CFI and the other a private pilot) for flying a faster profile than they're used to. In fact, it's the standard company profile that allows us to fit into the flow at the major airports. It's fast, it's aggressive, but I've been trained, checked, and checked again from day one on how to do it properly and safely (and yes, even with the FAA onboard).

What if those passengers had simply "perceived" that what I was doing was unsafe, and reported me to the FSDO for "careless and reckless" operation? Now I'm tangling with the FAA over something that's completely safe, legal, and approved. It's a ridiculous position to be put into by someone who simply doesn't know any better.

So please, do us all a favor: If you're going to be the sky police, reporting perceived violations and making citizen's arrests, stay off of our aircraft.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Man, if there was ever a demographic where the FAA should require light recreational pints o' Guinness to bring down the blood pressure, it's got to be pilots.

Take a breath folks, for craps sake.
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I want to be like Doug. Nothing fazes him! No wonder he flies the "big uns". Seriously everyone gets wound up here, but not him.
 
Rudabega said:
Really, that is the best story they could come up with?

When in doubt, develop carb ice.

Landing on X's is pretty dumb though.
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Damn it, our 172 has fuel injection. Can I claim I was forced down due to weather? "The sunshine was too much so I had to land"?
 
MikeD said:
How come no one who is in support of "reporting everything you see, real or perceived, to the FAA" has answered my question on the previous page about what if it were THEY who were reported by someone who "thought" or "perceived" they were doing something wrong, and reported them? And would they like having to defend something they did that was nothing wrong, besides someones "perception" of it? And further, would they still support the "report everything and anything"?

An no one has commented on USMCmech's excellent post, or any of Doug's posted 121 airline examples of "perceptions" going wrong.
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....sill waiting. The silence is deafening.

I guess it's a little different when it might be you in the hot seat, getting a BS report made against you.
 
MikeD said:
....sill waiting. The silence is deafening.

I guess it's a little different when it might be you in the hot seat, getting a BS report made against you.
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I responded last night. It is a straw man argument. Tell me how you would feel if someone perceived you to be a Colombian drug dealer and reported you to the DEA and now the DEA starts investigating you.

You are referencing something that happened to Doug, in another thread, which is entirely unrelated to what happened to the OP.
 
dasleben said:
Get your supe on the line! That 737 came within 10 miles of me! :yar:
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The weirdest thing I was ever told by an ATC (I chalked it up to her being a trainee) was after she gave us a faulty clearance that wasn't in line with what the approach was, or what the NOTAM for the approach was, we asked her if she had conflicting NOTAMS to what we had, and she said "No, looks like we have the same. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm not a pilot, just fly the thing like you think you should."
 
I would have reported them - it isn't so much the landing, but the lying. If they had apologized and admitted error, offered an apologietic handshake and gone on that is one thing. But to lie - I would have gone after them!
 
mojo6911 said:
I responded last night. It is a straw man argument. Tell me how you would feel if someone perceived you to be a Colombian drug dealer and reported you to the DEA and now the DEA starts investigating you.

You are referencing something that happened to Doug, in another thread, which is entirely unrelated to what happened to the OP.
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My examples, as I've stated numerous times already if you were paying attention, are of an argument part and parcel from the OP. This isn't about the OPs situation anymore.

This is about the whole "report any violations real or perceived" to the FAA, that started about back on Page 6 or so. Dougs arguments are examples of when people's "perceptions", which btw aren't based on any factual reality, get reported and he had to answer to someone else's BS perceptions. USMCmech's argument is pretty good gospel to follow.

Straw man argument neither are. Now that I've cleared that up yet again, do you wish to respond to the whole "preception is reality" crap, and how you would feel if it were YOU on the receiving end of it? Neither of which you have answered, just danced around.
 
MikeD said:
Straw man argument neither are. Now that I've cleared that up yet again, do you wish to respond to the whole "preception is reality" crap, and how you would feel if it were YOU on the receiving end of it? Neither of which you have answered, just danced around.
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It is crap and of course, I wouldn't like it. In regards to the OP, see I_Money's post for my attitude on this situation, which is vastly difference than Doug's.
 
darthpanda said:
I want to be like Doug. Nothing fazes him! No wonder he flies the "big uns". Seriously everyone gets wound up here, but not him.
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Nah. Fifteen-ish years of running an Internet website, I have been threatened with lawsuits, hate mail, bombastic posts, nuclear annihilation, i don't know, I've pretty much seen/heard/read it all. So nothing really fazes me anymore.

I've had rational, calm email exchanges with people who have called my mother every name in the book ("ok, so you really don't understand why your behavior wasn't compatible with my website?"). :)

Words on the Internet.

"I'm going to sue you!"

"Cool, have your attorney, well AFTER you can find one, he takes the case and well, you pay the retainer, have him send a proper letter on PAPER to PO box...."

I've had that conversation maybe.... Let me think... Since 1996... Maybe 14 times?
 
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