Had to report two to the FSDO

darrenf said:
Your suggestion would have him shirk his responsibility, just sayin'. :dunno:
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If the employer would have been OK with it, would there still be a "responsibility"
to report the guys to the FAA? I'm based out of a private strip, and we occasionally get people who land without calling us first, should i report all them? There was another thread where someone said they landed with 20 minutes of gas, is it anyone's responsibility on here to report them?

I just think a lot of people take on a lot more responsibility than they're entitled to.
 
casey said:
Is your "runway" charted? Is it marked as closed on the chart? Does your runway closed marking conform to what it should look it (color/size/reflectivity).
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Not charted. I am not sure it it ever was, but it would have been decades ago. It is now mostly a lightly vegetated remnant of a runway(s). I don't know if the X's meet any standards, but they are large, bright white (contrasting well on darker soil), and very visible from the air.

I will certainly report back when I learn more. I am not sure what the timeline will be, but I will try to remember to revive this thread when the time comes.
 
casey said:
Is your "runway" charted? Is it marked as closed on the chart? Does your runway closed marking conform to what it should look it (color/size/reflectivity).

I would guess the FSDO is going to come look at your field and get a NOTAM or a charting change to properly reflect the status of your runway.

As for the pilots? They trespassed on your property, that is a civil action you'll need to pursue, the FAA isnt going to care.

If I'm wrong, I'd like to hear what the FSDO has to say when they come visit.
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I would bear that in mind. Someone called the FSDO on a DE out here. Not only was the DE busted (all ratings taken) for falsifying paperwork, but the student was investigated, and they ramp checked everything in sight.
 
I think it is ok for anyone to call in a violation if they feel strongly on the matter. It is then up to the FSDO to take action or not. I am talking clear and intentional violators, not someone who makes an honest mistake and learns from it.
 
cmill said:
If the employer would have been OK with it, would there still be a "responsibility"
to report the guys to the FAA? I'm based out of a private strip, and we occasionally get people who land without calling us first, should i report all them? There was another thread where someone said they landed with 20 minutes of gas, is it anyone's responsibility on here to report them?

I just think a lot of people take on a lot more responsibility than they're entitled to.
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You also have to look out for your own butt. Who's to say he doesn't try to land there again, hit an uneven part of an old, overgrown, closed runway, wreck, and sue.
 
subpilot said:
I think it is ok for anyone to call in a violation if they feel strongly on the matter. It is then up to the FSDO to take action or not. I am talking clear and intentional violators, not someone who makes an honest mistake and learns from it.
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Exactly. These guys may have already showed that they didn't make an honest mistake if they lied about working for the forest service. Let the FSDO deal with them.

If I happened across some planes landing off field, as long as they were not endangering anyone I would probably have a friendly conversation with them. The thought of reporting it would never cross my mind. However, if I was in a situation where as a matter of employment I had a responsibility, thats a different matter.
 
ColoradoPilot said:
You also have to look out for your own butt. Who's to say he doesn't try to land there again, hit an uneven part of an old, overgrown, closed runway, wreck, and sue.
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Its uncharted so it wouldnt matter. I dont think you could really sue for landing on an unkept runway thats not even a runway.
 
ColoradoPilot said:
You also have to look out for your own butt. Who's to say he doesn't try to land there again, hit an uneven part of an old, overgrown, closed runway, wreck, and sue.
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Uhhh if it is already marked with an "X", i highly doubt the validity of the case.
 
cmill said:
If the employer would have been OK with it, would there still be a "responsibility" to report the guys to the FAA? I'm based out of a private strip, and we occasionally get people who land without calling us first, should i report all them? There was another thread where someone said they landed with 20 minutes of gas, is it anyone's responsibility on here to report them?

I just think a lot of people take on a lot more responsibility than they're entitled to.
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Those examples seem quite a bit different to me. This is not a private strip, it is a long ago closed strip on private land, it is well marked as such, and landing there could easily have been dangerous for other visitors. If it was a working runway I know I would feel differently about it, and if it had been an emergency there obviously would have been no question.

I think any land owner is entitled to manage and protect their land in the way that they see fit. In our case, not to report such an incident could easily be seen as negligent.
 
darrenf said:
What would you suggest he should have done?
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Its trespassing, call the cops if you "have" to report them.

casey said:
Is your "runway" charted? Is it marked as closed on the chart? Does your runway closed marking conform to what it should look it (color/size/reflectivity).
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Like YELLOW, not white. then again, mayor ding dong in chicago used trenches dug into the runway with bull dozers, so maybe color is optional

Stomp16 said:
I think in order to be a grammar nazi you need to be around for more than a month and 50 some posts. Considering...
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yeah that! maybe offer to proof read post for us mispellars and grammer butcherers instead.
 
Acadia said:
I think any land owner is entitled to manage and protect their land in the way that they see fit. In our case, not to report such an incident could easily be seen as negligent.
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I agree with that, i just think its possible to manage and protect your land without reporting two pilots to the FAA.

I just think its kind of a cop out to say, i dont want anything bad to happen to these guys, but its out of my hands now. If you dont think it was a big enough deal to warrant anything more than a warning, should you have reported them in the first place?
 
The attitude that has developed on this forum regarding obvious violations of the FAR's is disturbing at best.
 
The attitude that has developed on this forum about throwing other pilots under the bus is even more disturbing.
 
darrenf said:
Agreed.
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More astounding is people trying to do a bait and switch comparing operations that don't have wheels with operations such as the one this thread is about, is, again, astounding.

Or said more simply, my wife's signature line sums things up well.
 
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