Guns in the Cockpit

PetrolBurner said:
More often than not the commotion of trying to break open the door would be overheard by the FFDO, giving them a few seconds or more to turn and draw.
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I wanna see that in a CRJ flight deck. :) It's pretty much comical just getting into the seat, much less having Wyatt Earp trying to mow down a bad guy.
 
BobDDuck said:
I stand by my statement. Most of the people talking don't know anything about the program specifics.
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I'll be the first to tell ya I don't know much about the program specifics. But I stand by what I said. It's just a matter of logistics, physics and space in the flight deck.
 
I voted not the brightest idea....yes it could be useful but I say not everyone gets one.

Then again I'm a college student with only a PPL so what do I know? :)
 
BobDDuck said:
I stand by my statement. Most of the people talking don't know anything about the program specifics.
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Hey, I was agreeing with you! I personally know ALOT about the program, but you don't see me blabbing here (at least about the topic.)
 
MDPilot said:
Hey, I was agreeing with you! I personally know ALOT about the program, but you don't see me blabbing here (at least about the topic.)
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Reading comprehension is not a strong point for me:)

Maximillian_Jenius said:
Wouldn't tasers, or a long range version there of be better in a plane, than a gun?
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There is a video out there (that was not for public consumption, but may be now) of a demonstration doing just that.

In the first section the "terrorists" bust open the door using items found in an airplane and a single razer blade. They then rush the flight deck which is defended by a pilot using a taser. They actually live fired the taser and it hits the seat cushion the "terrorist" is holding. You can hear it clicking, but it doesn't do anything and, to quote Counter Strike "Terrorists Win".

The second section of the video is the exact same except they us a gun with paint ball ammo. The video ends with the three "terrorists" dead on the floor.

A taser wouldn't work.
 
The only thing that worries me is the mechanics of how the gun will be drawn down on a target. Most people are right handed.
If the gun were to be stored on the captains side then he will undoubtedly swing the thing from left to right across the panel and past the FO also the gun will be in his/her left hand (from a sitting position). Accidental discharge is going in the MFD or in the FO.
If the FO were to have one then he/she will have the same issues as above sans the left hand issue.

Prevention is better than cure.
Give the FA guns !! :sarcasm:
 
BobDDuck said:
to quote Counter Strike "Terrorists Win".
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Ah, you just gave me a flashback of freshman year of college. And the reason my two roommates failed out!

Maximillian_Jenius said:
But, better, read actual security screening, and not window dressing would!
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I agree, real security must happen.

Real security will not have been attained until every single person on the airport property who is permitted to touch an airplane has gone through security.

Why aren't the cleaners screened for weapons?
Why aren't the caterers screened for bombs and chemicals?
Why aren't the fuelers screened?
The mechanics?
The TSA agents themselves?

Why isn't there a double cockpit door so that there is never a direct path for a passenger to take to get into the cockpit?


Can't we just pretend one of these things resulted in another 9/11 instead of actually waiting for it to happen?​


All of those are methods of transportation for weapons and other undesirables to gain access to an airplane.

Until the TSA takes security seriously and eliminates those threats, then it is wise to give pilots the capability of incapacitating a hijacker.
 
Maybe it's a false sense of security, but I know I always feel a little bit safer with an FFDO on one of my flights.
 
Nick said:
Ah, you just gave me a flashback of freshman year of college. And the reason my two roommates failed out!



I agree, real security must happen.

Real security will not have been attained until every single person on the airport property who is permitted to touch an airplane has gone through security.

Why aren't the cleaners screened for weapons?
Why aren't the caterers screened for bombs and chemicals?
Why aren't the fuelers screened?
The mechanics?
The TSA agents themselves?

Why isn't there a double cockpit door so that there is never a direct path for a passenger to take to get into the cockpit?


Can't we just pretend one of these things resulted in another 9/11 instead of actually waiting for it to happen?​


All of those are methods of transportation for weapons and other undesirables to gain access to an airplane.

Until the TSA takes security seriously and eliminates those threats, then it is wise to give pilots the capability of incapacitating a hijacker.
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...and, all those things will never occur. Why because it's cost prohibative, and the bean counters have all ready decided it's far cheaper to pay out in court.

Than to prevent it from happening in the beginning.
 
JA Yawd Bwoy said:
:yeahthat: Exactly my point!, there are other solution's that are non lethal!
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So the situation is that a couple of guys are trying to takeover your cockpit with lethal intentions for you and all the folks in back. Are you worried about the best way to stop the threat or "non lethal" alternatives??

I'm just stirring the pot here but if somebody breeches my cockpit and wants to kill everyone on board, I am not worried at all about any strand of their well-being.
 
Fins Up said:
So the situation is that a couple of guys are trying to takeover your cockpit with lethal intentions for you and all the folks in back. Are you worried about the best way to stop the threat or "non lethal" alternatives??

I'm just stirring the pot here but if somebody breeches my cockpit and wants to kill everyone on board, I am not worried at all about any strand of their well-being.
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I am just going by my standards that God gave life and I, nor anyone else has the right to take it, IF there are other alternatives.
 
JA Yawd Bwoy said:
I am just going by my standards that God gave life and I, nor anyone else has the right to take it, IF there are other alternatives.
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I'm just going by my standards that if a guy is trying to kill me and everyone on board, he has waived his rights to anything.
 
JA Yawd Bwoy said:
I am just going by my standards that God gave life and I, nor anyone else has the right to take it, IF there are other alternatives.
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Notice I said IF

Fins Up said:
I'm just going by my standards that if a guy is trying to kill me and everyone on board, he has waived his rights to anything.
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What I am saying is that not all people with intent to harm are armed with much more than a set of fist, and a lie ( ex. bomb). Hijackings like that used to happen alot in Africa. I am with you on the " your life, not mine" standard, but is it really worth it to shoot someone with a fake bomb, and his fist up? In my believe something like 9/11 with knive's and weapons could not or would be extremely difficult to get bring a weopon on board.
 
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