Gun on a Plane

LaBeef

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I'm not an airline pilot so I don't really know how it works but I hear TSA won't let anyone through the gate without a proper search, so how could an airline employee bypass security holding a gun?

why would that person agree to it in the first place, he's prob getting fired IMO...

Smuggled Gun Found On Phoenix-Bound Plane



(CBS) A US Airways employee and passenger are being questioned after an unloaded handgun was discovered aboard a Phoenix-bound flight originating in Philadelphia, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.

Souces say a passenger allegedly handed a bag containing the weapon to an airline employee, who bypassed the security screening before giving it back to the passenger, reports Orr.

Ammunition was also found on the plane.

Another passenger saw the suspicious hand-off and alerted authorities. The gun was found during a subsequent search of the plane. The flight taxied back to the gate and all the passengers were removed, reports Orr.

Sources says the incident appears to be isolated and is not related to terrorism. Investigators do not believe the suspected passenger intended to use the gun on the flight but was simply trying to elude security in order to carry the weapon to Phoenix, reports Orr.

The FBI, Transportation Security Administration and Philadelphia law enforcement are investigating the incident. No charges have been filed.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/04/national/main5062390.shtml
 
The fact is, that they search the non-local base crews going through security, but local airline personnel and select airport employees can go through other doors that are only checked at random times.

Whats to keep this from happening again, NOTHING, its all on the honor system.:banghead:
 
I heard a "rumor" of pilots who use this technique to get through customs with cigarettes bought at a duty free store to sell outside. Even if you go through customs with the legal amount you can make 40 bucks a trip.
 
Believe it or not , of all the years i worked at Kennedy, i have never seen anyone checking those employee turnstyles. no one seems to give a damn thing about security anymore .
terrorism or not , it depends on who does it , if it is not an arab or muslim guy , its an isolated incident , otherwise ,its like the end of the world .
 
I heard a "rumor" of pilots who use this technique to get through customs with cigarettes bought at a duty free store to sell outside. Even if you go through customs with the legal amount you can make 40 bucks a trip.


First I've heard of that. PLus, if you have over the smokes allowed, if they catch you, and then want to do something about it, they just make you pay the duty tax on it. Same as having more than 1 litre of hootch.
 
At the airport I work at, we are not required to be screened (unless we are going through the TSA checkpoint). Our SIDA badge allows us access through "secure" doors around the airport. We also escort our crews through these doors (most, not all, of us have escort privileges).

Of course, to get a SIDA badge requires an extensive background check and fingerprints. But whose to say someone can't go psycho after they get the badge? They then have unrestriced access to the entire airport and aircraft.
 
Stupidity knows no bounds. "Sure, I'll carry your gun around security." A bottle of water, perfume, etc...maybe. A gun? Hahaha
 
At the airport I work at, we are not required to be screened (unless we are going through the TSA checkpoint). Our SIDA badge allows us access through "secure" doors around the airport. We also escort our crews through these doors (most, not all, of us have escort privileges).

Of course, to get a SIDA badge requires an extensive background check and fingerprints. But whose to say someone can't go psycho after they get the badge? They then have unrestriced access to the entire airport and aircraft.

i think SIDA badges are standard for all airport employees, the only one where ive seen people around on the tarmac without proper ID was ISP even that is about to change now as i heard by this monday .
anyway , like u said . who knows if a person goes coucou after getting his badge . a couple of months ago ,one of our employees was busted smugling a 100k dollars for a passenger ,if it wasnt his coworker who notified the PAPD no one would ever find out
 
It is very easy to check a firearm. Why not just do that?

It is and it isn't I personally would rather ship a firearm via FEDEX to my destination than check it in my luggage. The current way of shipping just invites them to be stolen.

A friend of mine checked his firearm the proper way and retained the key to the firearm as required. TSA cut the freaking locks off and destroyed the hard sided case getting into it. Luckly the weapon was undamaged and still there. Anyone in the system could have easily stolen after TSA opened it up...
 
You probably don't want to know the easiest way for the airlines to find ramp employees in the PHL and EWR area that can pass a drug test and are willing to work for 9 bucks an hour. Personally it doesn't surprise me.
 
It is and it isn't I personally would rather ship a firearm via FEDEX to my destination than check it in my luggage. The current way of shipping just invites them to be stolen.

A friend of mine checked his firearm the proper way and retained the key to the firearm as required. TSA cut the freaking locks off and destroyed the hard sided case getting into it. Luckly the weapon was undamaged and still there. Anyone in the system could have easily stolen after TSA opened it up...

I fly travel with them all the time and have never had a problem. Most TSA don't know the rules (big surprise) about proper labeling and that can lead to a lot of problem. I have heard a lot or horror stories though.
 
You probably don't want to know the easiest way for the airlines to find ramp employees in the PHL and EWR area that can pass a drug test and are willing to work for 9 bucks an hour. Personally it doesn't surprise me.

Fresh out of the pokey!
 
It was funny I went to a Tennessee airport and saw guys in orange suits mowing the lawn. When I inquired I was told the were low risk inmates on a work detail. They do various jobs around the airport.

Gee that sounds safe.
 
It is and it isn't I personally would rather ship a firearm via FEDEX to my destination than check it in my luggage. The current way of shipping just invites them to be stolen.

A friend of mine checked his firearm the proper way and retained the key to the firearm as required. TSA cut the freaking locks off and destroyed the hard sided case getting into it. Luckly the weapon was undamaged and still there. Anyone in the system could have easily stolen after TSA opened it up...

The last time I had a gun, I put it in a hard sided bag with 3 locks. The gun itself was in it's own locked hard case inside the bag. When I went to show the TSA agent that it was unloaded, etc. etc., he seem aprehensive and scared. He let all the other TSA people there know that there was a gun in that bag, and put a sticker on it. I've never seen a bag treated so gingerly after he told everyone.
 
It was funny I went to a Tennessee airport and saw guys in orange suits mowing the lawn. When I inquired I was told the were low risk inmates on a work detail. They do various jobs around the airport.

Gee that sounds safe.


Had a friend who did that. It's called community service in some places. Every weekend for 6 months he checked in to the county jail on a Friday night and went home on Sunday evening. In between, he had to wear prison clothes and went out on work details during the day. Cutting grass, picking up trash, washing police cars.

During the week, he worked in the maintenance department at the factory where I worked. Hard worker, just got caught spotlighting deer. I'd say he was certainly an acceptable security risk to work around the airport. Not like the rampers that ASA hired a few years ago that turned out to be using assumed identities because they had warrants for drug dealing.
 
There are also some service release programs out there. I've used inmates with a couple of non-profits that I work with. They all stay in a special cell block that have personal cells and cant tell the other inmates about being able to leave etc. They also get 6 hours off of their sentence, so for every 4 days of work they get a day. They are in for things like driving with a suspended license, criminal speeding, DUI and other 'light crimes'.

I specifically asked one about trying to run etc. His response was " 'heck' no, loose [the ability to work], and 5 years in that 'crap'hole."
 
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