Great Lakes is hiring street captains

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not that I'm interested in SWA, but this ATP-A320 typed pilot with 6000 hrs is not qualified for Southwest. That Great Lakes direct entry Captain making $27.84/hr is qualified after 1,000 hrs in that position. Say what you want folks, bottom line is, if TPIC isn't on your resume, quality airline doesn't mean squat to places like SWA or FDX. If I was still stuck as a 8-th year RJ FO at a certain company, I would definitely apply to the DEC position at Lakes. As for their pay, as has been said many times, consider it "paying your dues." :rolleyes: At least you'd be marketable to more legacy airlines.
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Trust me when I say that right now, the GLA guy with 1,000 TPIC isn't qualified either.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said: ↑
Not that I'm interested in SWA, but this ATP-A320 typed pilot with 6000 hrs is not qualified for Southwest. That Great Lakes direct entry Captain making $27.84/hr is qualified after 1,000 hrs in that position. Say what you want folks, bottom line is, if TPIC isn't on your resume, quality airline doesn't mean squat to places like SWA or FDX. If I was still stuck as a 8-th year RJ FO at a certain company, I would definitely apply to the DEC position at Lakes. As for their pay, as has been said many times, consider it "paying your dues." :rolleyes: At least you'd be marketable to more legacy airlines.

That is why these places stay in business. $27 an hour is an outrage for a PIC position....
 
Bandit_Driver said:
That is why these places stay in business. $27 an hour is an outrage for a PIC position....
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I won't disagree. But given the choice of continuing to sling gear for a regional as a 8th year FO with no upgrade in sight and no interviews coming, versus hoping over to Great Lakes, getting TPIC time, and updating resumes, it is what it is.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I won't disagree. But given the choice of continuing to sling gear for a regional as a 8th year FO with no upgrade in sight and no interviews coming, versus hoping over to Great Lakes, getting TPIC time, and updating resumes, it is what it is.
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I understand what you're saying, and I think it's a valid point. But if I were in that situation, I would be far more likely to get into a 135 gig with a quick upgrade. That payrate is just deplorable, and I would literally be unable to pay my bills on the Lakes CA payscale (and I have no debt). Additionally, how the heck would somebody also be able to pay for a 737 type on that Lakes Pay?
 
GypsyPilot said:
I understand what you're saying, and I think it's a valid point. But if I were in that situation, I would be far more likely to get into a 135 gig with a quick upgrade. That payrate is just deplorable, and I would literally be unable to pay my bills on the Lakes CA payscale (and I have no debt). Additionally, how the heck would somebody also be able to pay for a 737 type on that Lakes Pay?
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Exactly. If you're one of those 8 year FO's at whatever regional has no upgrade in sight, come on over to the 135 world, work a whole lot less, upgrade, get your TPIC, then move on to a major airline (if that's what your end goal is).

~$2000/mo gross to be a CA on anything bigger than a C150 is just ridiculous.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
When I was in that regional situation, I couldn't find any 135 gig as a DEC that didn't require turbine PIC beforehand.
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It's getting better out there. I just turned down a 135 gig in Denver that was going to be a fairly quick upgrade to PIC, and it paid a hell of a lot better than Lakes. It was very tempting to leave my current situation even, but in the end it wasn't the right opportunity according to the crappy crystal ball I have. But a couple more years in the right seat of the RJ, I'll be all over it...
 
It's likely that an Airline will not accept GLA flight time as valid. The airline will not be able to validate a pilots flight time. Are they supposed to figure out which time was 135, which time was 121 etc.. ? The airlines are first going to choose from a pool of available pilots who's flying most closely matches their own flying. That means 121 flight time, jet pic, fancy flight computers, flight attendants, etc.. These are going to be their tier 1 choices.

It's more likely that GLA and Silver are going to go out of business in 2014, those pilots will go to work for regional carriers as new hires while said regional carriers pilots go to the majors.

So in my opinion, GLA and Silver are nothing more than additional rungs on the career ladder, but the thing is there is no good reason to put yourself in this position unless you are impulsive.
 
After seeing what has happened with Seaborne airlines (they just announced furloughs), there's no way I'd bail from a decent gig for one of these dumpy little airlines. Just a few weeks ago Seaborne was announcing direct hire CAs... Now those guys are on the street!
 
GypsyPilot said:
After seeing what has happened with Seaborne airlines (they just announced furloughs), there's no way I'd bail from a decent gig for one of these dumpy little airlines. Just a few weeks ago Seaborne was announcing direct hire CAs... Now those guys are on the street!
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Wtf... I know I guy down there. Haven't hear that. Last I heard they were hiring like crazy.
 
propsync said:
It's likely that an Airline will not accept GLA flight time as valid. The airline will not be able to validate a pilots flight time. Are they supposed to figure out which time was 135, which time was 121 etc.. ? The airlines are first going to choose from a pool of available pilots who's flying most closely matches their own flying. That means 121 flight time, jet pic, fancy flight computers, flight attendants, etc.. These are going to be their tier 1 choices.

It's more likely that GLA and Silver are going to go out of business in 2014, those pilots will go to work for regional carriers as new hires while said regional carriers pilots go to the majors.

So in my opinion, GLA and Silver are nothing more than additional rungs on the career ladder, but the thing is there is no good reason to put yourself in this position unless you are impulsive.
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Not really. Great Lakes is actually a pretty old airline for a regional, long running and "well" established in their niche. Most people have always known them to be a small Part 121 regional that paid dirt wages, but well respected for the quality of flying and time gained. Most HR/pilot recruiters aren't going to care GLA has made 5 airplanes into Part 135 birds. The majority of it is still quality TPIC time. On my resume, I'd just put it as "Turibne PIC...... xxxx" time without differentiating Part 121 vs 135 for GLA.
 
hotice said:
Just thought that I would throw this out there. There might be one person on here that is interested.

Other Requirements:
  • Unrestricted ATP requirements and meet all of the requirements below
  • 1000 hours as an Second-in-Command in 121 operations, or 1000 hours as Pilot-in-Command under FAR 135.243(a)(2)(i), or 1000 hours as pilot-in-command under FAR 91.1053(a)(2)(i) or any combination thereof
Job Location
tbd, , United States
Position Type
Full-Time/Regular
Salary
27.48 - USD
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Shocked nobody caught this one yet..either a bad copy/paste in haste, or they really want you to have some random helo time.
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From 121.436...it quotes 135.243 (a)(1) as the time needed.
 
Inverted said:
Trust me when I say that right now, the GLA guy with 1,000 TPIC isn't qualified either.
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What do you mean by this? That a legacy carrier or SWA type would never pick the Lakes guy over someone else? Or that the flying done at Lakes doesn't qualify a person?
 
I mean that although SWA requiring 1,000 TPIC right now excludes on paper, your 7-8 year FO, they are not hiring GLA guys that just clocked 1,000 TPIC yesterday.
 
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