Great CRM: 767 uncontained engine fire/tear drop return with CVR/FDR.

As far as data and research go, unfortunately most everything is very protected. I can't go posting my airline's data on here without getting burned at the stake. But I can speak directly to my experience. If you care to do research, which I firmly do not believe you care to do, you can find data from places like ASIAS. www.asias.aero

Most every 121 carrier contributes data to them, and they do some very good analysis and reporting. Of course, to get access to data itself you must be a participating airline. Good luck in your continuing quest to confirm your own ignorance.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Of course, to get access to data itself you must be a participating airline. Good luck in your continuing quest to confirm your own ignorance.
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Sadly, it seems that I will not be granted access. Guess I'll have to confirm my own ignorance through other channels. Why, though, do you imagine that might be? You made some pretty strong claims about how awesome you are. Aside from the arrogant presumption, which we all saw. I mean, not that I doubt you, God between us and evil, but you've been doing a LOT of talking. I'm just a hillbilly, at heart, but I still know my numbers!
 
Boris Badenov said:
Sadly, it seems that I will not be granted access. Guess I'll have to confirm my own ignorance through other channels. Why, though, do you imagine that might be?
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If it were up to me, safety data would be public domain, but unfortunately pilots are always scared of retaliation, so there are safeguards in place.
 
Somewhere in these 8 pages must lay the new dead-horse to beat on JC? Shutting down an engine without a checklist? Tear drop returns in a 767? Italian pilots? Continuing at V1? What can we all agree on?
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
If it were up to me, safety data would be public domain, but unfortunately pilots are always scared of retaliation, so there are safeguards in place.
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Speak for yourself...every ASAP I have filed gets the "can we publish this, de-identified, and share it" box checked. ;)

Information wants to be free.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Speak for yourself...every ASAP I have filed gets the "can we publish this, de-identified, and share it" box checked. ;)

Information wants to be free.
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I just mean the ASIAS data is closely guarded because the industry at large is concerned about that data being used in an unintended way. I agree people are becoming more comfortable with FOQA and ASAP, but there is reason to be cautious. There are definitely people in flight ops management at any airline who "don't get it" and would love to be able to have unfettered access to the data.
 
Nick said:
You should see the debate that erupts every six months at ALPA safety council when the ASIAS update presentation comes up.
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People know the data is being captured, but it's a shock to them when they see the true amount of analysis that can be done. The folks at MITRE truly do a great job.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Why don't we just ditch the sarcasm and have a good discussion?
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Tried that in one of the earlier threads about safety culture and got a lecture on how it was beyond the scope of an internet discussion and you had to see it to understand it, plus a couple buzzwords thrown on top. That coupled with one or two people who seem to make excuses for inexcusable lapses in judgement (let's 410 it dude!) or gaps in basic airmanship (wi tu lo!) while preaching about the mystical Just Safety Culture has got me (and, it seems, one or ten others around here) pretty well tuned out.
 
Roger Roger said:
Tried that in one of the earlier threads about safety culture and got a lecture on how it was beyond the scope of an internet discussion and you had to see it to understand it, plus a couple buzzwords thrown on top. That coupled with one or two people who seem to make excuses for inexcusable lapses in judgement (let's 410 it dude!) or gaps in basic airmanship (wi tu lo!) while preaching about the mystical Just Safety Culture has got me (and, it seems, one or ten others around here) pretty well tuned out.
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I'm willing to have a good discussion if we can ditch the snide BS.
 
Whose cell phone was going off the whole end of the RTB? It was more distracting than the total lack of CRM and decision making displayed in the video.

Quickly please, turn off the cell phone quickly please.
 
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