Gotta get them burgers! (Van crosses runway and almost gets hit!)

Cptnchia said:
Driver claims he was cleared to cross. If that’s true, and it’s easy to verify, the controller better be dusting off the resume.
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I believe Branson is a Contract Tower, so it might be different than in the FAA, but I've seen worse incidents than this be ATSAP'd and the controller back on the scopes after a 30 min break lol.

Everything they say is true, you REALLLLLLLY have to try to get fired from this job.
 
Cptnchia said:
Driver claims he was cleared to cross. If that’s true, and it’s easy to verify, the controller better be dusting off the resume.
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He won’t get fired for this.
nabbyfan said:
I believe Branson is a Contract Tower, so it might be different than in the FAA, but I've seen worse incidents than this be ATSAP'd and the controller back on the scopes after a 30 min break lol.

Everything they say is true, you REALLLLLLLY have to try to get fired from this job.
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Depends if it’s a NATCA covered contract tower or not.
 
Based in the picture and not really knowing exactly the timing or having listened, or how much the controller anticipated separation when issuing the takeoff clearance, assuming he didn’t massively F-up,the van is past the runway edge line but not the hold short lines. As long as his clearance is past the hold lines (join another taxiway, continue, etc) and nothing is impeding his forward movement, that is legal. If the van (or plane if that what a scenario involves) stops then it’s on them and not a deal for the controller — for that one plane or vehicle. Subsequent operations require clear beyond the hold short lines. So even though it looks close to an airport employee or a random person, it might not really be.

Disclaimer: Again not being there, just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s safe, some things are safe but not legal, and I personally don’t like to over-anticipate crossings. Hard to recover from if it doesn’t work.
 
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AM011309 said:
Based in the picture and not really knowing exactly the timing or having listened, or how much the controller anticipated separation when issuing the takeoff clearance, assuming he didn’t massively F-up,the van is past the runway edge line but not the hold short lines. As long as his clearance is past the hold lines (join another taxiway, continue, etc) and nothing is impeding his forward movement, that is legal. If the van (or plane if that what a scenario involves) stops then it’s on them and not a deal for the controller — for that one plane or vehicle. Subsequent operations require clear beyond the hold short lines. So even though it looks close to an airport employee or a random person, it might not really be.

Disclaimer: Again not being there, just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s safe, some things are safe but not legal, and I personally don’t like to over-anticipate crossings. Hard to recover from if it doesn’t work.
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Vehicles can work up to the edge of the runway, not just the hold short line. However if the vehicle was on the runway during a takeoff roll, there is nothing legal about it by any stretch. You cannot enter a runway in front of an aircraft on takeoff roll under any circumstances.
 
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