Good luck with all that/ADIZ Buster

JLF

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva]ADIZ-Busting Pilot Plans Flight School Chain[/FONT]
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If you believe that it's best to learn from the mistakes of others, Troy Martin has a deal for you. If the name rings a bell it's because the 37-year-old was at the center of one of the most infamous navigational miscues in general aviation history. He was in the left seat of a Cessna 150 when he and Hayden L. "Jim" Scheaffer came within a mile or so of the White House in May 2005. Martin, a student pilot at the time, said the incident showed him that there are big holes in pilot training, holes his company, Martin Aviation Group, hopes to fill with what he says is his new approach to teaching people to fly. "There's just not a lot of structure today with how people learn to fly," he told the Lancaster, Penn., Sunday News, adding that there should be more government oversight to ensure pilots stay sharp. Now, let's see. Despite pages of NOTAMs, almost nonstop publicity and industry chatter about the Washington Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ), Martin and Scheaffer plotted a course that took them directly over downtown Washington. If cooler heads hadn't prevailed, the flight could have made an even greater impact, if you know what we mean. As it was, thousands of terrified workers, residents and tourists ran for their lives when the alert was sounded. AOPA spokesman Chris Dancy told the Sunday News he's not sure how different training or government oversight in addition to the hundreds of pages of regulations that already exist might have prevented the incident. "One of those regulations states in no uncertain terms that a pilot must be familiar with every aspect of a given flight," Dancy said. (Airspace included.)



[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva]Envisions A Chain Of Franchised Operations[/FONT]
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Martin, a "business consultant" from Akron, Ohio, says the fundamental problem with flight training is that it's carried out independently by hundreds of "mom and pop" schools scattered at small airports all over the country. His answer is a chain of up to 250 franchised schools all teaching the same comprehensive curriculum. Martin claims that economies of scale will make his model more efficient and reduce instruction and insurance costs. In a nutshell, his plan is to give students 49 lessons over the course of a year as they simultaneously earn their private certificate and instrument rating. His plans came to light in Lancaster because he plans to build the company's $5 million "world headquarters" at the Lancaster Airport and he needs the approval of local authorities. By our deadline, Martin hadn't answered our e-mail request for an interview. The company Web site doesn't give any insight into just how the enterprise will be funded. So far, the company appears to have two principals, Martin and his brother Darin. Most of the pages on the Web site are still under construction and the only way to contact the company is via an e-mail response form.
 
This is a business disaster in the making. It really is a shame all those small FBO flight schools exist. Wouldn't the world be a better place with more pilot factories around the country.
 
Yeah...cause I want to take courses in flying from a guy who busted the most charted, talked about airspace in America.

It'd be like going to med school and learning from a doctor who just got his license suspended for malpractice and incompetence.
 
tonyw said:
Yeah...cause I want to take courses in flying from a guy who busted the most charted, talked about airspace in America.


To be fair, he was the student pilot in that scenerio with less than 20 hours or so.

IIRC he wasn't held responsible by the FAA for anything on that flight.

The other guy however had his liscense revoked.
 
USMCmech said:
To be fair, he was the student pilot in that scenerio with less than 20 hours or so.

IIRC he wasn't held responsible by the FAA for anything on that flight.

The other guy however had his liscense revoked.

True, but still, even if you are a student pilot just learning how to read a sectional, you should know not to bust class B airspace (remember, the ADIZ pretty much follows the class B boundaries)!

Maybe it's just because I learned to fly around the DC area, but I just can't possibly fathom how even a student pilot wouldn't know about the ADIZ!
 
This is kinda like the ground school at the college that I go to being taught by a guy that ditched a 150 because he ran out of gas between BHB and ALB. FYI that is 297 miles straight into the prevailing headwinds.

Hey you have to learn from mistakes.....yeah right.
 
It seems to me ATP's already got the good "fanchise" fbo market. I don't what all this guy's selling points are going to be or anything. As far as busting the ADIZ...there is no excuse for anything like that. I'm not saying he's a bad pilot, he just made a big mistake and suffered the consiquences. Any of us are susceptible to that if we're as complacent as he was.

What kind of "gets" me is the big artical in AOPA(I think) about him, followed by this stuff. I know all buisness owners are buisnessmen/women....it just doesn't seem very whole hearted to me. To bust out the small FBOs and imply his mistakes were caused by the training he received, then use that as a selling point is completely hollow in my opinion.
 
AP2B said:
It seems to me ATP's already got the good "fanchise" fbo market. I don't what all this guy's selling points are going to be or anything. As far as busting the ADIZ...there is no excuse for anything like that. I'm not saying he's a bad pilot, he just made a big mistake and suffered the consiquences. Any of us are susceptible to that if we're as complacent as he was.

What kind of "gets" me is the big artical in AOPA(I think) about him, followed by this stuff. I know all buisness owners are buisnessmen/women....it just doesn't seem very whole hearted to me. To bust out the small FBOs and imply his mistakes were caused by the training he received, then use that as a selling point is completely hollow in my opinion.

Anyone ever thought that he did this on purpose just to create a business for himself.
 
bob loblaw said:
Anyone ever thought that he did this on purpose just to create a business for himself.

No...most obscene thing I've ever heard too btw.

Besides, he wasn't even a pilot. The other guy was.
 
stuckingfk said:
No...most obscene thing I've ever heard too btw.

Besides, he wasn't even a pilot. The other guy was.

obscene or absurd?????

late night grammar goon squad....... ;)
 
stuckingfk said:
No...most obscene thing I've ever heard too btw.

Besides, he wasn't even a pilot. The other guy was.

If this is the most ABSURD thing you ever heard, then you must live a sheltered life. If this is true, you don't have enough experience to judge me moron.
 
bob loblaw said:
If this is the most ABSURD thing you ever heard, then you must live a sheltered life. If this is true, you don't have enough experience to judge me moron.


*zing*
 
bob loblaw said:
If this is the most ABSURD thing you ever heard, then you must live a sheltered life. If this is true, you don't have enough experience to judge me moron.

No need for name calling.
 
bob loblaw said:
If this is the most ABSURD thing you ever heard, then you must live a sheltered life. If this is true, you don't have enough experience to judge me moron.

Yeah, I used the wrong word. I can admit that. Should have said "one of the stupidest things I've ever heard."


Besides, I do know enough to judge. How does someone get kicked off a message board at more than one place? That takes talent.
 
Now I didn't read everything on his webpage but what I did read sounds pretty good. Check out his business model. He did some good research and seems to know what he is up against. In theory it sounds really good.

That being said, I think it sounds so good that he will end up pricing himself out of the market. He is looking for a fleet of all new planes (10 years or newer) and CFIs with at least 1000 hrs. That alone will drive up the cost significantly for a student I would think. Good luck finding a career CFI with that many hours that will work full time. They are going to have to be paid around $30,000 or more depending on your location, and that cost is going to go straight to the student.

I think he understands the GA world though, in terms of their business plans at least. Most flight schools out there are not very good at all. There are some that are well oiled machines and then there are others that just don't seem to work out as well for various reasons.
 
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