GoJet

mlm3789

mlm3789

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Has anyone ever heard of GoJet? A couple of the senior CFI's at my flight school are going/already there. They start off in a CRJ-700. I guess its a new company based out of St. Louis (I think they are United Express or something - not really sure). Do they have a website or anything like that? Thanks.
 
mlm3789 said:
Has anyone ever heard of GoJet? A couple of the senior CFI's at my flight school are going/already there. They start off in a CRJ-700. I guess its a new company based out of St. Louis (I think they are United Express or something - not really sure). Do they have a website or anything like that? Thanks.
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DO NOT go to GoJets. It's sole purpose is to destroy the flying at Trans States Airlines (both owned by the same person). GoJets is one step above scabbing.

Now having said that don't come back with a reply starting with "But ..."

You asked, we told.
 
I don't think it will go 6 pages.... Remember, Don't Hate.... Educate (or something like that)

Just to clarify what 602 said:

GoJets was formed to get around a scope clause that prevented TSA from flying 70 seat aircraft. There isn't a problem with that too much (with the exception that it is putting more big airplanes at the regional level) but rather with the fact that they set up new seniority list to staff these airplanes. This seniority list is subject to different (ie worse) pay and work rules then the pilots on the TSA seniority list. The long term problem is of course, as time progresses managment may just start to transfere all their flying to the GoJets certificate because they can pay those guys less and work them more. In a nutshell, as 602 said, they are pretty much cutting down their fellow pilots from the TSA seniority list. Is it scabbing? Not really, but the end result is the same.
 
Exactly what everyone else has said. They are an "alter-ego" airline created by trans-states holdings.

It's probably not that hard to get on there because who in their right mind would want that job? You'd be stabbing in the back another group of pilots who work along side you.

Here are two scenarios :

1) Me (XJT FO) getting on a Delta Jumpseat:

"Hey guys, I'm Joe Schmo and I'm an FO at XJT, I was wondering if I could occupy one of your cabin seats going down to ATL"
-Delta FO : "Hey how's it going....Hang in there with that Chitaqua stuff...It's nasty out there."
Delta Capt: "Sure...no problem, if you need to sit up here just say the word"

2) GoJets FO getting on a jumpseat:
"Hey....ummm...guys.....Uhhh...I'm an FO under TransStates Holdings and I was wondering if I could sit in the back.."
Delta FO : "Well, why does your badge say GoJets? Weren't you the guys that went around the TSA pilot group? Are you guys ALPA?"
"Well..uh.....We're looking to get a union and uh....."
Delta Capt: Son...I'm ex Eastern and your ass is not welcome here.

My point is, these guys are like roaches. They hide in the dark, they know they're loathed. The day these guys go for an interview at a major/LCC they better pray that they're not at the table with ALPA supporters.

Rant over...
 
While I might not share the same jumpseat militaristic attitude as others, GoJets is far from scabbing, BUT a message does need to be sent to all management types that this kind of end around stuff will not fly (pun intended!).

Before anyone gets all up in too much of a tizzy, GoJets is not all the far off from CRJ and ERJ "regionals" flying old mainline routes that were "lost" because of furloughs and fleet reductions. Take a long hard look in the mirror before you go and start a jumpseat war with a GoJeter, plus I don't think GoJets has many reciprocal jumpseat agreements, and that would be the more professional route to take if faced with the situation.
 
Go here:

http://www.gojetpilots.com

That explains most of what you need to know. Encourage your friends to seek employment elsewhere if it's not already too late. Definitely don't go there yourself, it could be a decision that will hurt you later in your career.
 
Dugie8 said:
While I might not share the same jumpseat militaristic attitude as others, GoJets is far from scabbing, BUT a message does need to be sent to all management types that this kind of end around stuff will not fly (pun intended!).

Before anyone gets all up in too much of a tizzy, GoJets is not all the far off from CRJ and ERJ "regionals" flying old mainline routes that were "lost" because of furloughs and fleet reductions. Take a long hard look in the mirror before you go and start a jumpseat war with a GoJeter, plus I don't think GoJets has many reciprocal jumpseat agreements, and that would be the more professional route to take if faced with the situation.
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Don't know who you are, or who you work for..........but there is no sane reason why you should be defending GoJets pilots. None.
 
mrivc211 said:
Don't know who you are, or who you work for..........but there is no sane reason why you should be defending GoJets pilots. None.
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Not defending them at all, never said I was, but I think a childish jumpseat war is the wrong way to go, now if there is no JS agreement, problem solved, if there is one, be a professional.
 
Dugie8 said:
Not defending them at all, never said I was, but I think a childish jumpseat war is the wrong way to go, now if there is no JS agreement, problem solved, if there is one, be a professional.
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Hmmmm gotta agree with mrivc211 on this one!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Hmmmm gotta agree with mrivc211 on this one!
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No offense intended at all Max, but when you get into the industry and see how it all really works, then you can call me on my opinion.

Like I said, not defending the pilots at all, but at the same time I don't pretend to have walked in another persons shoes either. GoJeters are not scabs, they don't deserve the title. The whole thing is perfectly legal, highly immoral and does the industry no good, but legal. Taking it out on people who need a job and maybe do not know any better is childish.

Please don't twist my argument into crossing the picket line and scabbing during a strike, two totally different situations, no work is struck, no one "lost" a job and no one was denied access to these jobs.

I have friends that fly for TSA and I feel for them and they are doing what needs to be done, but my argument lies with jumpseat wars, my opinion.
 
Hi everyone

I'd like to fly for gojets! They have 70 seaters! We can fly nice brand new BIG jets! How fun! I prolly can tour the world! And 16k is just fine..i can still live at my grandmas!

Haha...not too farfetched from what i heard before.

GO TO HELL GOJETS!!!!!!:mad:
 
Dugie8 said:
Not defending them at all, never said I was, but I think a childish jumpseat war is the wrong way to go, now if there is no JS agreement, problem solved, if there is one, be a professional.
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He has a point...JS wars don't solve anything.

But I have zero industry experience, FWIW :p
 
OK, let's get it right here.

I understand GoJets is seen as an alter ego airline for TSA.

Mesa is seen badly because their pilots are taking very low pay for their jobs and they are considered as part of the problem for low pay.
Well, if that is the case, shouldn't every regional airline be seen the same as Mesa since the pilots start at a very low pay? Where do you draw the line? Which airlines do you guys not view negatively?
 
UH60driver said:
OK, let's get it right here.

I understand GoJets is seen as an alter ego airline for TSA.

Mesa is seen badly because their pilots are taking very low pay for their jobs and they are considered as part of the problem for low pay.
Well, if that is the case, shouldn't every regional airline be seen the same as Mesa since the pilots start at a very low pay? Where do you draw the line? Which airlines do you guys not view negatively?
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Mesa gets paid badly? Whatt? I've never heard that...they just have crappy work rules.

No, i think you're missing it out on GoJets. They're an airline to get around the scope rules about 70 seaters, pay, and work rules. It's created just so they can pay less, and work them more. Basically, TSA is getting screwed over out of it, if more work goes to GoJet. They're gonna get screwed over by their own company..how's that one!
 
Bigey said:
No, i think you're missing it out on GoJets. They're an airline to get around the scope rules about 70 seaters, pay, and work rules. It's created just so they can pay less, and work them more. Basically, TSA is getting screwed over out of it, if more work goes to GoJet. They're gonna get screwed over by their own company..how's that one!
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doot doot doo that's what an alter ego carrier is doot doot doo
 
I understand the deal with GoJets.

What I want to know is why is Mesa viewed negatively and what other airlines are considered the same as Mesa?
 
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