kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Okay, so noticed this was signed in 2007. So, what were the terms pre-Teamsters contract? I'd like to know that stuff since it would shed light on the time frame everyone shuns Go Jets for, namely being inception until Teamsters contract. If their pay and work rules was less than TSA, that would be undercutting.
Just some quick notes while reading Go Jet's contract:
Okay, scope looks like standard stuff
Reserves only get 70 hours of guarantee. Yeah, it's only 5 hours, but that would be a $290 a month pay cut for me.
Not sure if I like tying the line guarantee in with "completion factor." Kinda opens the door to the company not paying everyone "100% of published final bid" if they go below 98% completion factor. (see LoA note below)
JM language is pretty standard
Extension looks like they only start paying you 150% 3 hours AFTER you were originally scheduled to end
Voluntary open time clause is good. Could use that here.
4 hours training pay for full day, 2 hours for a half day is sorta weird. We only get 3.75, but it doesn't matter if we're there 8 hours or 1 hour.
I do like the reserve pay thing where you're guaranteed at least 4 hours (5 for ready reserve).
50% DH needs to go. We've got it in ours (remember signed in 99), and I doubt the new contract will pass with it in there.
We don't have dual qualifications here, but I don't like what they've got. If you're CA qualified and fly as an FO, you should be getting paid CA rates. Period, end of story. Not an average of the two.
Per diem rates are less than what our FAs got on their new contract. For a deal signed in 2007, probably shoulda been able to get more than $1.50
Day rooms are for ground sits of 6 hours and double occupancy. Current contract here is 5 hours.
Hotel portion has loopholes you can drive a truck through. Basically gives the company leeway to pick whatever they want. They can say they "considered" safety, but savings might have been more important. Basically, it's almost carbon copy of our hotel language.
Days off are pretty standard, 10 for reserve, 11 for line holders min
Scheduled duty is the same as it is here (14 hours), but they can take you all the way to 16. Here, we have to give consent to go over 15.5
Getting bought off for OE at Go Jets at least doesn't put you on de-facto reserve like it does here, but I think that's a crappy thing we have that a only a few (if any) other carriers have. So, we'll call that one pretty standard.
Oooh, don't like this. A line holder that has been removed from a trip but not re-assigned immediately can be put on reserve. That's bad.
Commuter policy is about the same as here
I don't know why they have Guaranteed Days Off (GDO). They have to be awarded as days off in the bid period, and they get 6 per year. Seems like it's basically a tool to keep from getting JMed. Don't know about you, but this seems like an empty thing to have in a contract and makes me wonder what they gave up to get it. I just don't answer the phone on my day off....
Reserve periods for up to 14 hours
"A reserve shall not begin a reserve period without an actual rest period of at least 8 hours" Yeah, b/c it would more than likely violate FARs dealing with Whitlow Rest.....
Reserve call-out is the same as here
According to the contract, reserves have to call CS at the end of an assignment. That's a little unnecessary. If we don't get a call FROM CS and no messages on CrewTrac when we check out, we're gone.
They can hold you for 2 hours past block in for a potential assignment as a reserve. They can do that to us, but only for 1 hour, and the trip has to start within 3 hours of block in.
Ready reserve for 10 hours, but they get per diem.
New aircraft type is the same as ours, so if they get 'em, expect aribtration on the pay rates.
Seniority starts from start of ground school. Same here.
If you're on probation, you can't file a grievance on disciplinary action. Bad.
Vacation pay is 3.25 hours a day. Ours is 3.75, but I think Go Jets gets more days per year
Vactions must be taken in 1 week increments. We can do "vacation at a time," but it's hardly ever approved that way.
If you upgrade, you have to re-bid vacation. That's a pain.
Company can cancel vacations, but if you paid that deposit on the trip to Atlantis, they'll reimburse you....if you kept the receipt. Not sure if you can swap vacation weeks with other pilots like can here.
Sick leave accrual is the same as here, but like here, the company can ask for a doctor's note for anything
2 week furlough notice. Not sure, but I think most are 30 days.
Gotta pay a nickle per page for a copy of your personal file. We get a free copy once a year.
Not good. There are some conditions the company can use CVR and FDR data for disciplanry action. Unless there's an LOA for FOQA/ASAP, this opens a can of worms
Moving expenses in the case of involuntary displacement is a little less than what we have here. In addition to what Go Jets gets, we also get a paid "house hunting" trip with the spouse.
We also get "moving days" when bidding from one domicile to another. I don't see anything in their contract for that.
They'll give you an advance to pay for your flight bag and suitcase, and you can pay it back in $25 increments.
They pay for the initial hat insignia and wings. You pay for everything else.
$25 a month up to a total of $300 in a "uniform bank." We get cash on the second pay check of the month instead.
OMFG! Their insurance premiums are out of control. $314/mo for family. Ours is roughly half of that. Most of the other health benefits we get here are a LOT better than theirs as well.
401K match of 100% of 1% of pilots earnings. Not so hot. Possibly better than ours depending on how long you've been here. For the first five years, we get 25% match up to 5% of pay.
There's a clause that says the Company isn't liable for misapplication of the contract. Uh....why?
There's a no strike clause. YGTBSM. Sorry, but damn. According to this, if pilots voted to authorize a strike....they can be fired.
Jets for Jobs LoA. IMO, this is selling out your own people to get business.
If the two really are separate.....why is there an LoA for transferring planes to TSA?
Same question.....why is there an LoA for 55 seat or less planes for GoJets?
Oh, glad they revised the completion factor tying into pay. Now, they've clarified. Company gets a completion factor of less than 98%.....only 95% of your line guarantee. So, make sure those planes fly!
Conclusion: It's more standard than I thought, but it could be improved in a lot of ways. For a 2007 contract, I think it falls short of where it should be. Also, it doesn't put to rest the issue of "Was Go Jets a whipsaw?" You can't look at a 2007 contract and say "They weren't undercutting TSA" when that happened in 2005. Now, if the terms in the contract were there in 2005, I'd say they were pretty much even. But if they were, that negates the "Teamsters fought for a good contract" argument.
Just some quick notes while reading Go Jet's contract:
Okay, scope looks like standard stuff
Reserves only get 70 hours of guarantee. Yeah, it's only 5 hours, but that would be a $290 a month pay cut for me.
Not sure if I like tying the line guarantee in with "completion factor." Kinda opens the door to the company not paying everyone "100% of published final bid" if they go below 98% completion factor. (see LoA note below)
JM language is pretty standard
Extension looks like they only start paying you 150% 3 hours AFTER you were originally scheduled to end
Voluntary open time clause is good. Could use that here.
4 hours training pay for full day, 2 hours for a half day is sorta weird. We only get 3.75, but it doesn't matter if we're there 8 hours or 1 hour.
I do like the reserve pay thing where you're guaranteed at least 4 hours (5 for ready reserve).
50% DH needs to go. We've got it in ours (remember signed in 99), and I doubt the new contract will pass with it in there.
We don't have dual qualifications here, but I don't like what they've got. If you're CA qualified and fly as an FO, you should be getting paid CA rates. Period, end of story. Not an average of the two.
Per diem rates are less than what our FAs got on their new contract. For a deal signed in 2007, probably shoulda been able to get more than $1.50
Day rooms are for ground sits of 6 hours and double occupancy. Current contract here is 5 hours.
Hotel portion has loopholes you can drive a truck through. Basically gives the company leeway to pick whatever they want. They can say they "considered" safety, but savings might have been more important. Basically, it's almost carbon copy of our hotel language.
Days off are pretty standard, 10 for reserve, 11 for line holders min
Scheduled duty is the same as it is here (14 hours), but they can take you all the way to 16. Here, we have to give consent to go over 15.5
Getting bought off for OE at Go Jets at least doesn't put you on de-facto reserve like it does here, but I think that's a crappy thing we have that a only a few (if any) other carriers have. So, we'll call that one pretty standard.
Oooh, don't like this. A line holder that has been removed from a trip but not re-assigned immediately can be put on reserve. That's bad.
Commuter policy is about the same as here
I don't know why they have Guaranteed Days Off (GDO). They have to be awarded as days off in the bid period, and they get 6 per year. Seems like it's basically a tool to keep from getting JMed. Don't know about you, but this seems like an empty thing to have in a contract and makes me wonder what they gave up to get it. I just don't answer the phone on my day off....
Reserve periods for up to 14 hours
"A reserve shall not begin a reserve period without an actual rest period of at least 8 hours" Yeah, b/c it would more than likely violate FARs dealing with Whitlow Rest.....
Reserve call-out is the same as here
According to the contract, reserves have to call CS at the end of an assignment. That's a little unnecessary. If we don't get a call FROM CS and no messages on CrewTrac when we check out, we're gone.
They can hold you for 2 hours past block in for a potential assignment as a reserve. They can do that to us, but only for 1 hour, and the trip has to start within 3 hours of block in.
Ready reserve for 10 hours, but they get per diem.
New aircraft type is the same as ours, so if they get 'em, expect aribtration on the pay rates.
Seniority starts from start of ground school. Same here.
If you're on probation, you can't file a grievance on disciplinary action. Bad.
Vacation pay is 3.25 hours a day. Ours is 3.75, but I think Go Jets gets more days per year
Vactions must be taken in 1 week increments. We can do "vacation at a time," but it's hardly ever approved that way.
If you upgrade, you have to re-bid vacation. That's a pain.
Company can cancel vacations, but if you paid that deposit on the trip to Atlantis, they'll reimburse you....if you kept the receipt. Not sure if you can swap vacation weeks with other pilots like can here.
Sick leave accrual is the same as here, but like here, the company can ask for a doctor's note for anything
2 week furlough notice. Not sure, but I think most are 30 days.
Gotta pay a nickle per page for a copy of your personal file. We get a free copy once a year.
Not good. There are some conditions the company can use CVR and FDR data for disciplanry action. Unless there's an LOA for FOQA/ASAP, this opens a can of worms
Moving expenses in the case of involuntary displacement is a little less than what we have here. In addition to what Go Jets gets, we also get a paid "house hunting" trip with the spouse.
We also get "moving days" when bidding from one domicile to another. I don't see anything in their contract for that.
They'll give you an advance to pay for your flight bag and suitcase, and you can pay it back in $25 increments.
They pay for the initial hat insignia and wings. You pay for everything else.
$25 a month up to a total of $300 in a "uniform bank." We get cash on the second pay check of the month instead.
OMFG! Their insurance premiums are out of control. $314/mo for family. Ours is roughly half of that. Most of the other health benefits we get here are a LOT better than theirs as well.
401K match of 100% of 1% of pilots earnings. Not so hot. Possibly better than ours depending on how long you've been here. For the first five years, we get 25% match up to 5% of pay.
There's a clause that says the Company isn't liable for misapplication of the contract. Uh....why?
There's a no strike clause. YGTBSM. Sorry, but damn. According to this, if pilots voted to authorize a strike....they can be fired.
Jets for Jobs LoA. IMO, this is selling out your own people to get business.
If the two really are separate.....why is there an LoA for transferring planes to TSA?
Same question.....why is there an LoA for 55 seat or less planes for GoJets?
Oh, glad they revised the completion factor tying into pay. Now, they've clarified. Company gets a completion factor of less than 98%.....only 95% of your line guarantee. So, make sure those planes fly!
Conclusion: It's more standard than I thought, but it could be improved in a lot of ways. For a 2007 contract, I think it falls short of where it should be. Also, it doesn't put to rest the issue of "Was Go Jets a whipsaw?" You can't look at a 2007 contract and say "They weren't undercutting TSA" when that happened in 2005. Now, if the terms in the contract were there in 2005, I'd say they were pretty much even. But if they were, that negates the "Teamsters fought for a good contract" argument.
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