GoJet culture

A1TAPE

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How is GoJet in terms of the work culture. I read that some thought of it as a rehash of being back in high school but according to a recent GoJet post in the airline pilot section of JC,

The Capt that came down didn't sugar coat the reputation of GoJet but has assured me that the individuals responsible for the cancerous culture have been pushed out and the company is moving on. So, illustrious and wise members of JC, advice please? Take it or leave it?

So has the culture improved in all departments or just in the pilot quality of life?
 
How is GoJet in terms of the work culture. I read that some thought of it as a rehash of being back in high school but according to a recent GoJet post in the airline pilot section of JC,



So has the culture improved in all departments or just in the pilot quality of life?
They are owned by Hulas so no... the culture has not and will not change. The pilots will forever been seen as scabs. Any opportunity they can find to cut corners, they will.
 
Ok but has the cancer been taken out or is it still there? I saw this from the eating crow thread and thought it seemed relevent. Even the pilots in the pilot section are saying nay to going there.

I agree with (mrezee). G7/AX is a high school run by pre-teens. management are only as good as the people in the position at the time. I had a interview and later orientation there in 2016. and i asked questions about unions and probation. the hr and dx team at the time were decent and felt they were strong but i asked what happens when they leave or move on. they didn't have an answer for that... basically your S.O.L. not long after they were in the middle of switching from sabre to lido. in three months i would say 35% of the work force had left voluntarily to other regional's. XJT/SKW/ENY/RPA. I saw a former FA for ENY get #1 in seniority in her dx class for no reason other than she flew for American Eagle before, not tsa holdings. alot of senior people there are uber drivers and they get personally upset if you don't hail them to get the airport. (yes. that petty).
 
Well, based on what you posted, it sounds like GoJet would be considered a "last resort" type of place.

Did you get your ADX yet or still studying?
 
Hey there A1TAPE. GoJet, as well as Compass and Trans States are owned by Hulas, but the QOL and culture is pretty much department-dependent and also depends on YOUR attitude. The pilots don't really know d*ck about Dispatcher QOL and have no business speaking about it, and Dispatchers can only guess about pilot QOL based on the amount of whining and whinging (or happy joking) they do.

As with most things, ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING! People sit side-by-side all day long doing the same exact job, and many of them are happy and many of them are miserable. It's all about your attitude, expectations, and honestly, your sense of entitlement. Are you a go-getter or do you have a minimalist work ethic? Do you look at the bright side of things or do you just see what's broken? Are you thankful for what you have or angry about what you lack? Do you make the best of a situation and help bring others up or do you wallow in misery dragging others down with you? Do you expect things to go badly and call yourself a realist, or do you take things as they come and just deal with it like an adult? To a large degree, HAPPINESS and QOL is a CHOICE. Again, depending on your attitude, expectations, and sense of entitlement, ALL regionals could be considered a "last resort" type of place OR a dream job.

If you have an opportunity at GoJet, TAKE IT! It's a job. The pay is decent. Some of the people are GREAT! As an added bonus, you get to watch (and hear) the Boeing F-15's and F/A-18's doing test flights from rwy 11/29. And if you find that GoJet is not a good fit for you, you can always keep looking. It's a regional airline. They ALL have horror stories and some of them may even be true! Not many Dispatchers are looking to make a career at a regional. It's typically a stepping stone. Your experience is going to be what you make of it. Good luck! Whatever you choose to do, make it your intention to enjoy doing it!

That's your free Tony Robbins seminar for today!
 
They are owned by Hulas so no... the culture has not and will not change. The pilots will forever been seen as scabs. Any opportunity they can find to cut corners, they will.

I would love to see ya come say that in front of our pilot group or on our jumpseat... too bad the internet is equivalent to fairly land magical place where people can scribble on the toilet stalls with no recourse... apparently you have no idea of what a scab is, nor the true history of G7.

To the OP, I can’t speak of the dispatch dept, but 99% of the pilot group have a good working relationship with the dispatchers. I seem to get a few of the jokers quite a bit, getting an ocassional acars joke.
 
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How is GoJet in terms of the work culture. I read that some thought of it as a rehash of being back in high school but according to a recent GoJet post in the airline pilot section of JC,



So has the culture improved in all departments or just in the pilot quality of life?

A1, now that you mention it, it IS reminiscent of being in high school in some ways. For example, there is an 'in' crowd. If you're part of it, life is good; you won't be fired. If you're NOT part of the 'in' crowd, look out; if you rub a member of the 'in' crowd the wrong way, then anything can happen...
 
I used to LOVE watching his informercials; I'd stay up late to do so. His energy and positivity were totally contagious!

Have you seen his NetFlix Special “I Am Not Your Guru”?. If you haven’t I’d highly recommend it but be prepared to cry your eyes out.
 
nor the true history of G7.

So what was the true history of Gojets. Why were they created in the first place? I remember them being an alter ego group and pilots actually turning their IDs around so you couldn’t see which airline they worked for. So what really did happen?
 
Well, based on what you posted, it sounds like GoJet would be considered a "last resort" type of place.

Did you get your ADX yet or still studying?

Still studying


A1, now that you mention it, it IS reminiscent of being in high school in some ways. For example, there is an 'in' crowd. If you're part of it, life is good; you won't be fired. If you're NOT part of the 'in' crowd, look out; if you rub a member of the 'in' crowd the wrong way, then anything can happen...

So is that what happened to the OP who posted that Eating Crow thread about him getting termed from G7? Did he rub the "in" crowd the wrong way?
 
So what was the true history of Gojets. Why were they created in the first place? I remember them being an alter ego group and pilots actually turning their IDs around so you couldn’t see which airline they worked for. So what really did happen?

"TSA pilots wore “Alter EGoJet” badge backers in a visual display of their discontent, while ALPA filed a grievance over the alter-ego carrier (a label which remains with GoJet today)."

To answer that I found this great piece from the other forum about how G7 came to be.
WRNING: TXT WLL

TLDR: "GoJets is a separate airline set up by Trans States Holdings to fly 70 seat aircraft for UA. They did this to avoid a scope clause between TSA and AA. By starting a second airline on a different certificate they were able to circumvent agreements to fly nothing bigger than a 50 seat aircraft. As your friend said GoJets (blow jets as it's being called) is non-union. TSA is a union carrier acting within current scope clauses."
source: Airliners.net forum

"In late 2003, Trans States Airlines management indicated their desire to acquire and operate large regional jet aircraft. In early 2004, the Trans States MEC and TSA management began negotiating rates of pay for large regional jet aircraft (i.e. those in excess of 64 seats). Despite months of negotiations, the TSA MEC was unable to reach an agreement on the substandard pay scales Trans States management demanded. As a result, in early fall of 2004 negotiations had diffused.

In October 2004, Trans States Airlines’ President announced a need to create another airline to operate large regional jet aircraft, citing the Allied Pilots Association (APA – American Airlines) scope language restricting Trans States Airlines from operating aircraft larger than 50 seats. This airline, GoJet, would be controlled by the newly created Trans States Holdings1. While the APA scope restrictions did exist, that limitation did not prevent two airlines with independent operating certificates from operating with one seniority list or under a single collective bargaining agreement.
Meanwhile, four TSA management pilots who were hired as GoJet pilots, signed authorization cards stating they wished to be represented by the Teamsters, and GoJet management secretly signed on to the bogus scheme. ALPA challenged this attempt with the National Mediation Board, claiming that the Teamsters could not be the bargaining representative of GoJet since GoJet had not yet obtained an operating certificate. ALPA’s challenge was upheld by the NMB. The Trans States MEC immediately requested a meeting with the President of Trans States Airlines, who, by no coincidence, would also be the President of GoJet Airlines. Only after informational picketing, a pilot rally at St. Louis and a letter written by then ALPA President Duane Woerth to TSA CEO Hulas Kanodia, was the President of TSA finally convinced to
meet and negotiate with the TSA MEC.Negotiations began in the summer of 2005. Throughout the negotiations, TSA took a take-it-or-leave-it approach. Eventually in late summer 20052 TSA management put their last, best proposal on the table. Their LOA proposal contained Single Carrier language, a Holding Company Letter (binding TSH to TSA CBA), merged seniority list, substandard 70/90 seat pay scales, and a contract extension of 4 years3. Unfortunately, the GoJet LOA, in the opinion of many TSA pilots, lacked true job security protection. Management’s LOA prevented the bumping of those pilots already at GoJet from their equipment in the event of a reduction in another piece of equipment. This was particularly sensitive to the J41 fleet, which had already been scheduled to be removed from service by mid 2006. ALPA had tried to remedy this inequity through an additional proposal that protected the Trans States pilots, but TSA management was not interested. The TSA MEC conducted a series of road shows that outlined what management’s LOA did and didn’t provide in terms of wages, duration and scope. The pilots of Trans States Airlines voted down the proposal 3 to 1 in what was clearly a very emotional vote.[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Trans States MEC re-polled the pilots to determine why the vote failed and also attempted to resume negotiations, but Trans States management refused despite our best efforts to re-engage. ALPA also filed a petition with the NMB to recognize Trans States and GoJet as a single carrier. The NMB received briefs from the Company and ALPA. Primarily because the Company had separated the labor relations functions of TSA and GoJet, the NMB denied ALPA’s single carrier petition and Teamsters (IBT local 618) remained as the representational party. Trans States’ MEC also filed a Section 1 scope violation grievance, which remains pending today. The TSA CBA states that the Company shall not create or acquire an alter-ego to avoid the terms and conditions of this agreement5. Although ALPA lost the Single Carrier petition, a different standard will be used by an arbitrator on whether TSA violated that portion of the CBA

Ex-TSA Pilots
During the course of the GoJet negotiations in 2004 and 2005, two TSA pilots who had become Flight Managers4 assisted in the creation and operation of GoJet. These flight managers would later actively try to prevent ALPA from becoming the labor representation unit at GoJet by signing authorization cards with two others in an attempt to place IBT 618 on property and block any attempt by pilots to choose ALPA. In early 2005, these same pilots were directly involved with other senior TSA management personnel in union busting tactics that resulted in the wrongful termination of five union officers in a direct attempt to undermine the TSA MEC and ALPA.
In late 2005, after the LOA vote failed, TSA management began offering GoJet jobs to TSA pilots by enticing them with up to five years’ longevity. At the time, TSA pilots were actively demonstrating that GoJet flying belonged to and should be flown by TSA pilots on the TSA Seniority List. Only a few pilots from TSA rank and file went to GoJet, but their decision to do so at the expense of our campaign to unify these companies left deep scars and set off the beginning of a pilot war. Most of the ex-TSA pilots who went to GoJet were made check airmen and held IBT shop steward positions. Even members of IBT’s Airline Division Local 747 condemned the actions of IBT 618 to unionize this group while ALPA was trying to resolve the issues. TSA pilots wore “Alter EGoJet” badge backers in a visual display of their discontent, while ALPA filed a grievance5 over the alter-ego carrier (a label which remains with GoJet today)." Source: APC
 
"TSA pilots wore “Alter EGoJet” badge backers in a visual display of their discontent, while ALPA filed a grievance over the alter-ego carrier (a label which remains with GoJet today)."

To answer that I found this great piece from the other forum about how G7 came to be.
WRNING: TXT WLL

TLDR: "GoJets is a separate airline set up by Trans States Holdings to fly 70 seat aircraft for UA. They did this to avoid a scope clause between TSA and AA. By starting a second airline on a different certificate they were able to circumvent agreements to fly nothing bigger than a 50 seat aircraft. As your friend said GoJets (blow jets as it's being called) is non-union. TSA is a union carrier acting within current scope clauses."
source: Airliners.net forum

"In late 2003, Trans States Airlines management indicated their desire to acquire and operate large regional jet aircraft. In early 2004, the Trans States MEC and TSA management began negotiating rates of pay for large regional jet aircraft (i.e. those in excess of 64 seats). Despite months of negotiations, the TSA MEC was unable to reach an agreement on the substandard pay scales Trans States management demanded. As a result, in early fall of 2004 negotiations had diffused.

In October 2004, Trans States Airlines’ President announced a need to create another airline to operate large regional jet aircraft, citing the Allied Pilots Association (APA – American Airlines) scope language restricting Trans States Airlines from operating aircraft larger than 50 seats. This airline, GoJet, would be controlled by the newly created Trans States Holdings1. While the APA scope restrictions did exist, that limitation did not prevent two airlines with independent operating certificates from operating with one seniority list or under a single collective bargaining agreement.
Meanwhile, four TSA management pilots who were hired as GoJet pilots, signed authorization cards stating they wished to be represented by the Teamsters, and GoJet management secretly signed on to the bogus scheme. ALPA challenged this attempt with the National Mediation Board, claiming that the Teamsters could not be the bargaining representative of GoJet since GoJet had not yet obtained an operating certificate. ALPA’s challenge was upheld by the NMB. The Trans States MEC immediately requested a meeting with the President of Trans States Airlines, who, by no coincidence, would also be the President of GoJet Airlines. Only after informational picketing, a pilot rally at St. Louis and a letter written by then ALPA President Duane Woerth to TSA CEO Hulas Kanodia, was the President of TSA finally convinced to
meet and negotiate with the TSA MEC.Negotiations began in the summer of 2005. Throughout the negotiations, TSA took a take-it-or-leave-it approach. Eventually in late summer 20052 TSA management put their last, best proposal on the table. Their LOA proposal contained Single Carrier language, a Holding Company Letter (binding TSH to TSA CBA), merged seniority list, substandard 70/90 seat pay scales, and a contract extension of 4 years3. Unfortunately, the GoJet LOA, in the opinion of many TSA pilots, lacked true job security protection. Management’s LOA prevented the bumping of those pilots already at GoJet from their equipment in the event of a reduction in another piece of equipment. This was particularly sensitive to the J41 fleet, which had already been scheduled to be removed from service by mid 2006. ALPA had tried to remedy this inequity through an additional proposal that protected the Trans States pilots, but TSA management was not interested. The TSA MEC conducted a series of road shows that outlined what management’s LOA did and didn’t provide in terms of wages, duration and scope. The pilots of Trans States Airlines voted down the proposal 3 to 1 in what was clearly a very emotional vote.[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Trans States MEC re-polled the pilots to determine why the vote failed and also attempted to resume negotiations, but Trans States management refused despite our best efforts to re-engage. ALPA also filed a petition with the NMB to recognize Trans States and GoJet as a single carrier. The NMB received briefs from the Company and ALPA. Primarily because the Company had separated the labor relations functions of TSA and GoJet, the NMB denied ALPA’s single carrier petition and Teamsters (IBT local 618) remained as the representational party. Trans States’ MEC also filed a Section 1 scope violation grievance, which remains pending today. The TSA CBA states that the Company shall not create or acquire an alter-ego to avoid the terms and conditions of this agreement5. Although ALPA lost the Single Carrier petition, a different standard will be used by an arbitrator on whether TSA violated that portion of the CBA

Ex-TSA Pilots
During the course of the GoJet negotiations in 2004 and 2005, two TSA pilots who had become Flight Managers4 assisted in the creation and operation of GoJet. These flight managers would later actively try to prevent ALPA from becoming the labor representation unit at GoJet by signing authorization cards with two others in an attempt to place IBT 618 on property and block any attempt by pilots to choose ALPA. In early 2005, these same pilots were directly involved with other senior TSA management personnel in union busting tactics that resulted in the wrongful termination of five union officers in a direct attempt to undermine the TSA MEC and ALPA.
In late 2005, after the LOA vote failed, TSA management began offering GoJet jobs to TSA pilots by enticing them with up to five years’ longevity. At the time, TSA pilots were actively demonstrating that GoJet flying belonged to and should be flown by TSA pilots on the TSA Seniority List. Only a few pilots from TSA rank and file went to GoJet, but their decision to do so at the expense of our campaign to unify these companies left deep scars and set off the beginning of a pilot war. Most of the ex-TSA pilots who went to GoJet were made check airmen and held IBT shop steward positions. Even members of IBT’s Airline Division Local 747 condemned the actions of IBT 618 to unionize this group while ALPA was trying to resolve the issues. TSA pilots wore “Alter EGoJet” badge backers in a visual display of their discontent, while ALPA filed a grievance5 over the alter-ego carrier (a label which remains with GoJet today)." Source: APC

Thanks. I was actually wondering if bikey79 knew this. I actually lived it.
 
What was is like living it?

Surprised more guys didn’t end up punching each other. GoJet pilots would say they flew for TSA when asking for the Jumpseat, back when you filled out a paper slip, and turn their ID around backwards. Made for an awkward flight if the truth was found out after departure.
 
I can’t speak of how it was like then, only over things over the past couple years. There is no one at GoJet now that is embarrassed to work here, and no one hiding their badge. And yes, I do know the history of GoJet, as I had a long talk about it with many of the people that were here when it was started. It’s funny to hear it told from the other side, but it is what it is.

I go to work, do my best, follow the rules, remain respectful and happy then go home. Because of that, I’m happy here. We have great crews, fun overnights and this will be the first year I’ll break 100k/yr flying an airplane. I know that I can call my chief pilot or DO any time, as they do give out their personal number, and they will pick up and answer the questions I might have.

Bash this place all ya want, but I can say that 90% of the pilot group is happy. I would easily recommend this place to any pilot looking at it as a choice. This isn’t my first airline, not even my third and I can say that I’ve been treated better than the others.
 
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The work culture at GoJet is fun and professional. I currently have been dispatching for GoJet for almost 2 years and can tell you that any cancerous individuals that were here are gone. The people in the SOC are like a very dysfunctional family and mostly everyone gets along. It does not feel like I’m back at high school at all. The dispatchers and supervisors look out for one another and help each other out whenever they need it. I am enjoying my experience with GoJet and I think my coworkers would say the same.


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