Going, going, ASA is gone.
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planediveguy
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You want to speak about something, talk about why all those instructors bailed on the academy.(and went to Regional) Talk about why you are so cererbrally challenged and can spout off your mouth about things you don't have any clue as to what your talkin about. Talk about why the actual hiring of CFI canidates is around 20% ( As told to me by a good friend and a CFI stage check pilot who still works for the academy and was told to make the stage checks stricter because of the back log of students who really aren't needed or don't want to go to Houston or New Bedford so fail them over anything.)
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Sorry Bastard... but I have to rain a little on your parade...
Enrollment is up... so your rumours about the school going "under" somehow and "watch were you put your money" are just biased and malicious from someone that couldn't cut it. That story of the instructor that gambled is just pure rationalization, as we know how "well" you flew...
The actual hiring of instructor candidates is 20%!?!?!?! Where do you come up with this stuff? Are you taking Oxycontin with Rush Limbaugh?
Instructors leaving to Regional... some got tired of the pressure and some simply sucked... and they needed to go somehwere...
I don't know who is your "friend from the stage check group", but he is feeding you wrong info. I do work on that group now and was never told to fail anyone, unless the person really fails. As a matter of fact the Standz wait is about to go to no waiting time due to the recent enrollments and the Chinese contracts. We even hired insturctors from outside the academy for Houston.
Sorry Bastard but you are the one that have been spouting your mouth here lately... I really enjoyed you making a real case for yourself when you got aggravagted by the 'blankety party" thing. Are you going to answer in the same fashion? Please do as it really helps when you stick your foot in your mouth like that .
By the way the "Mafia" act is getting old...
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You want to speak about something, talk about why all those instructors bailed on the academy.(and went to Regional) Talk about why you are so cererbrally challenged and can spout off your mouth about things you don't have any clue as to what your talkin about. Talk about why the actual hiring of CFI canidates is around 20% ( As told to me by a good friend and a CFI stage check pilot who still works for the academy and was told to make the stage checks stricter because of the back log of students who really aren't needed or don't want to go to Houston or New Bedford so fail them over anything.)
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Sorry Bastard... but I have to rain a little on your parade...
Enrollment is up... so your rumours about the school going "under" somehow and "watch were you put your money" are just biased and malicious from someone that couldn't cut it. That story of the instructor that gambled is just pure rationalization, as we know how "well" you flew...
The actual hiring of instructor candidates is 20%!?!?!?! Where do you come up with this stuff? Are you taking Oxycontin with Rush Limbaugh?
Instructors leaving to Regional... some got tired of the pressure and some simply sucked... and they needed to go somehwere...
I don't know who is your "friend from the stage check group", but he is feeding you wrong info. I do work on that group now and was never told to fail anyone, unless the person really fails. As a matter of fact the Standz wait is about to go to no waiting time due to the recent enrollments and the Chinese contracts. We even hired insturctors from outside the academy for Houston.
Sorry Bastard but you are the one that have been spouting your mouth here lately... I really enjoyed you making a real case for yourself when you got aggravagted by the 'blankety party" thing. Are you going to answer in the same fashion? Please do as it really helps when you stick your foot in your mouth like that .
By the way the "Mafia" act is getting old...
FatBastard
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You want to speak about something, talk about why all those instructors bailed on the academy.(and went to Regional) Talk about why you are so cererbrally challenged and can spout off your mouth about things you don't have any clue as to what your talkin about. Talk about why the actual hiring of CFI canidates is around 20% ( As told to me by a good friend and a CFI stage check pilot who still works for the academy and was told to make the stage checks stricter because of the back log of students who really aren't needed or don't want to go to Houston or New Bedford so fail them over anything.)
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Sorry Bastard... but I have to rain a little on your parade...
Enrollment is up... so your rumours about the school going "under" somehow and "watch were you put your money" are just biased and malicious from someone that couldn't cut it. That story of the instructor that gambled is just pure rationalization, as we know how "well" you flew...
The actual hiring of instructor candidates is 20%!?!?!?! Where do you come up with this stuff? Are you taking Oxycontin with Rush Limbaugh?
Instructors leaving to Regional... some got tired of the pressure and some simply sucked... and they needed to go somehwere...
I don't know who is your "friend from the stage check group", but he is feeding you wrong info. I do work on that group now and was never told to fail anyone, unless the person really fails. As a matter of fact the Standz wait is about to go to no waiting time due to the recent enrollments and the Chinese contracts. We even hired insturctors from outside the academy for Houston.
Sorry Bastard but you are the one that have been spouting your mouth here lately... I really enjoyed you making a real case for yourself when you got aggravagted by the 'blankety party" thing. Are you going to answer in the same fashion? Please do as it really helps when you stick your foot in your mouth like that .
By the way the "Mafia" act is getting old...
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Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
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You want to speak about something, talk about why all those instructors bailed on the academy.(and went to Regional) Talk about why you are so cererbrally challenged and can spout off your mouth about things you don't have any clue as to what your talkin about. Talk about why the actual hiring of CFI canidates is around 20% ( As told to me by a good friend and a CFI stage check pilot who still works for the academy and was told to make the stage checks stricter because of the back log of students who really aren't needed or don't want to go to Houston or New Bedford so fail them over anything.)
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Sorry Bastard... but I have to rain a little on your parade...
Enrollment is up... so your rumours about the school going "under" somehow and "watch were you put your money" are just biased and malicious from someone that couldn't cut it. That story of the instructor that gambled is just pure rationalization, as we know how "well" you flew...
The actual hiring of instructor candidates is 20%!?!?!?! Where do you come up with this stuff? Are you taking Oxycontin with Rush Limbaugh?
Instructors leaving to Regional... some got tired of the pressure and some simply sucked... and they needed to go somehwere...
I don't know who is your "friend from the stage check group", but he is feeding you wrong info. I do work on that group now and was never told to fail anyone, unless the person really fails. As a matter of fact the Standz wait is about to go to no waiting time due to the recent enrollments and the Chinese contracts. We even hired insturctors from outside the academy for Houston.
Sorry Bastard but you are the one that have been spouting your mouth here lately... I really enjoyed you making a real case for yourself when you got aggravagted by the 'blankety party" thing. Are you going to answer in the same fashion? Please do as it really helps when you stick your foot in your mouth like that .
By the way the "Mafia" act is getting old...
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Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
I see we have another episode of as "the Jet Careers turns!"
Hello Fat Bastard, (I mean court jester)....your mockery of Jet Careers precedes you. I am surprised you talk about attitude, ye old spoiled child who got caught in the cookie jar.....You're right, I don't know who you are. Why don't you tell us? My posting here is not to attack you as a person. It's to attack what you think you are trying to accomplish by your slander and your hearsay. Nothing you have written has been 100% factual. Your only reason for posting here is because things did not go your way and so you want to start controversy for other people that might want to come to this school, because you did not make it here as a CFI and that's too bad. That is the usual case. I don't have anything against people who sling bags at airports. In fact, I used to do that for a living! Why not post who you are so we can see your real record here at the academy and where you are in training. Psychologists say people pick costumes who most represent themselves... Is this true Fat Bastard?
'Tell everyone about it and oh by the way, you never know by the time you get to Comair who will be sittin on your left. Can't wait to meet you Tomahawk, Its (for you) gonna be a looooooooooooooong trip.'
......YEAH!! LIKE THAT WILL EVERY WILL EVER HAPPEN!! I'm not holding my breath!
By the way, we have had 18 and 16 new CFI hires here in the last 2 months respectively in the last 2 Stanz classes. I hardly think that is what I'd call 'rough treatment.' We are short of CFI's, why would they be trying to stifle the hiring of our graduates???? Because, you have no clue!!! You spout off because YOU have no clue!!
Hello Fat Bastard, (I mean court jester)....your mockery of Jet Careers precedes you. I am surprised you talk about attitude, ye old spoiled child who got caught in the cookie jar.....You're right, I don't know who you are. Why don't you tell us? My posting here is not to attack you as a person. It's to attack what you think you are trying to accomplish by your slander and your hearsay. Nothing you have written has been 100% factual. Your only reason for posting here is because things did not go your way and so you want to start controversy for other people that might want to come to this school, because you did not make it here as a CFI and that's too bad. That is the usual case. I don't have anything against people who sling bags at airports. In fact, I used to do that for a living! Why not post who you are so we can see your real record here at the academy and where you are in training. Psychologists say people pick costumes who most represent themselves... Is this true Fat Bastard?
'Tell everyone about it and oh by the way, you never know by the time you get to Comair who will be sittin on your left. Can't wait to meet you Tomahawk, Its (for you) gonna be a looooooooooooooong trip.'
......YEAH!! LIKE THAT WILL EVERY WILL EVER HAPPEN!! I'm not holding my breath!
By the way, we have had 18 and 16 new CFI hires here in the last 2 months respectively in the last 2 Stanz classes. I hardly think that is what I'd call 'rough treatment.' We are short of CFI's, why would they be trying to stifle the hiring of our graduates???? Because, you have no clue!!! You spout off because YOU have no clue!!
FatBastard
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I see we have another episode of as "the Jet Careers turns!"
Hello Fat Bastard, (I mean court jester)....your mockery of Jet Careers precedes you. I am surprised you talk about attitude, ye old spoiled child who got caught in the cookie jar.....You're right, I don't know who you are. Why don't you tell us? My posting here is not to attack you as a person. It's to attack what you think you are trying to accomplish by your slander and your hearsay. Nothing you have written has been 100% factual. Your only reason for posting here is because things did not go your way and so you want to start controversy for other people that might want to come to this school, because you did not make it here as a CFI and that's too bad. That is the usual case. I don't have anything against people who sling bags at airports. In fact, I used to do that for a living! Why not post who you are so we can see your real record here at the academy and where you are in training. Psychologists say people pick costumes who most represent themselves... Is this true Fat Bastard?
'Tell everyone about it and oh by the way, you never know by the time you get to Comair who will be sittin on your left. Can't wait to meet you Tomahawk, Its (for you) gonna be a looooooooooooooong trip.'
......YEAH!! LIKE THAT WILL EVERY WILL EVER HAPPEN!! I'm not holding my breath!
By the way, we have had 18 and 16 new CFI hires here in the last 2 months respectively in the last 2 Stanz classes. I hardly think that is what I'd call 'rough treatment.' We are short of CFI's, why would they be trying to stifle the hiring of our graduates???? Because, you have no clue!!! You spout off because YOU have no clue!!
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Mr. Hawk, If you notice, I asked for verification of rumors, never said they were fact. That, sir, does not qaulify as slander or hearsay. I have nothing against those at the academy, but management is a booger. O. K. Hawk you guys had these new hires, that good. Please verify if a bunch of guys went to regional or not. Also, my sources tell me a 152 or 172 did a cartwheel on 9R today. Is this true? I hope everyone is okay. Also heard TSA is in everyones' butt. True?
See? my post are about facts and finding them, not making you my adversary. I told folks why I picked Fat Bastard from a previous post.
Why did you pick Tomahawk?
Please excuse my long trip post. One day we're gonna look back on this banter and say, man who cares? If I can save a flight student from spending a huge amount of money on ratings and help them to go to a flight school that is not in it for the money I will. That's my MOA.
Any hoo, I can respect you and your views but you are mistaken about my trying to bad mouth the academy and make stuff up. Again if the academy is so ethical it will show and thier reward will be proper. However, if it is not, well...................................... nuff said.
P.S. Don't hold your breath, you could turn blue and die from hypoxia!
(I made another funny!!)
I see we have another episode of as "the Jet Careers turns!"
Hello Fat Bastard, (I mean court jester)....your mockery of Jet Careers precedes you. I am surprised you talk about attitude, ye old spoiled child who got caught in the cookie jar.....You're right, I don't know who you are. Why don't you tell us? My posting here is not to attack you as a person. It's to attack what you think you are trying to accomplish by your slander and your hearsay. Nothing you have written has been 100% factual. Your only reason for posting here is because things did not go your way and so you want to start controversy for other people that might want to come to this school, because you did not make it here as a CFI and that's too bad. That is the usual case. I don't have anything against people who sling bags at airports. In fact, I used to do that for a living! Why not post who you are so we can see your real record here at the academy and where you are in training. Psychologists say people pick costumes who most represent themselves... Is this true Fat Bastard?
'Tell everyone about it and oh by the way, you never know by the time you get to Comair who will be sittin on your left. Can't wait to meet you Tomahawk, Its (for you) gonna be a looooooooooooooong trip.'
......YEAH!! LIKE THAT WILL EVERY WILL EVER HAPPEN!! I'm not holding my breath!
By the way, we have had 18 and 16 new CFI hires here in the last 2 months respectively in the last 2 Stanz classes. I hardly think that is what I'd call 'rough treatment.' We are short of CFI's, why would they be trying to stifle the hiring of our graduates???? Because, you have no clue!!! You spout off because YOU have no clue!!
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Mr. Hawk, If you notice, I asked for verification of rumors, never said they were fact. That, sir, does not qaulify as slander or hearsay. I have nothing against those at the academy, but management is a booger. O. K. Hawk you guys had these new hires, that good. Please verify if a bunch of guys went to regional or not. Also, my sources tell me a 152 or 172 did a cartwheel on 9R today. Is this true? I hope everyone is okay. Also heard TSA is in everyones' butt. True?
See? my post are about facts and finding them, not making you my adversary. I told folks why I picked Fat Bastard from a previous post.
Why did you pick Tomahawk?
Please excuse my long trip post. One day we're gonna look back on this banter and say, man who cares? If I can save a flight student from spending a huge amount of money on ratings and help them to go to a flight school that is not in it for the money I will. That's my MOA.
Any hoo, I can respect you and your views but you are mistaken about my trying to bad mouth the academy and make stuff up. Again if the academy is so ethical it will show and thier reward will be proper. However, if it is not, well...................................... nuff said.
P.S. Don't hold your breath, you could turn blue and die from hypoxia!
Fat Bastard,
The thing I did not like about your first post is that you claimed that the academy was going to be sued for unethical practices. That my friend is slander if it is truly unfounded. You could be liable becaused it defames the school if it is NOT true. There is not such lawsuit. Also, going around throwing Mr. Brutrell's name around (when you don't know him; I on the other hand, have met him and talked with him quite extensively) is unfounded. My objection is that people get on these types of boards and love to spread unfounded rumors and stir up controversy that does not exist just because they think they got a "raw deal" and have to hurt the program and people that work there and try to scare off other students. If you think the school is expensive, well that maybe true and move on. We are the only flight school that puts out our pricing for people to see, along with the rates. So I can't see people not completely knowing what they are getting into when they come here. I know this school is not cheap. But move on, man. Listen, you got your ratings, no one stopped you from that!! If you got your job at Comair, well fantastic for you. Everyone has to take accountability for themselves and not blame the world or a school for their problems. IF it doesn't work out here for some students to become a CFI, maybe it is for a reason. Maybe they didn't interview well. Maybe, they failed more than 2 FAA checkrides. Maybe academically, they struggled somewhat. No one is perfect and not everyone who goes to ANY flight school is always meant to be an Airline Pilot. If that is the case, then be humble about it and move on with life. No one forces a person to stay here or even go the DCA.
Sorry, I just felt like rambling on, because it just seems like people on here love to use the DCA thread as a negative sounding board because life hits them between the eyes.
The thing I did not like about your first post is that you claimed that the academy was going to be sued for unethical practices. That my friend is slander if it is truly unfounded. You could be liable becaused it defames the school if it is NOT true. There is not such lawsuit. Also, going around throwing Mr. Brutrell's name around (when you don't know him; I on the other hand, have met him and talked with him quite extensively) is unfounded. My objection is that people get on these types of boards and love to spread unfounded rumors and stir up controversy that does not exist just because they think they got a "raw deal" and have to hurt the program and people that work there and try to scare off other students. If you think the school is expensive, well that maybe true and move on. We are the only flight school that puts out our pricing for people to see, along with the rates. So I can't see people not completely knowing what they are getting into when they come here. I know this school is not cheap. But move on, man. Listen, you got your ratings, no one stopped you from that!! If you got your job at Comair, well fantastic for you. Everyone has to take accountability for themselves and not blame the world or a school for their problems. IF it doesn't work out here for some students to become a CFI, maybe it is for a reason. Maybe they didn't interview well. Maybe, they failed more than 2 FAA checkrides. Maybe academically, they struggled somewhat. No one is perfect and not everyone who goes to ANY flight school is always meant to be an Airline Pilot. If that is the case, then be humble about it and move on with life. No one forces a person to stay here or even go the DCA.
Sorry, I just felt like rambling on, because it just seems like people on here love to use the DCA thread as a negative sounding board because life hits them between the eyes.
planediveguy
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Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
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Bastard, Bastard...
You have no real idea of what really goes on... but thanks for answering in the same old fashion. The more you do it the harder it is to take anything you write seriously.
Thanks again for making my point.
Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
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Bastard, Bastard...
You have no real idea of what really goes on... but thanks for answering in the same old fashion. The more you do it the harder it is to take anything you write seriously.
Thanks again for making my point.
FatBastard
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Fat Bastard,
The thing I did not like about your first post is that you claimed that the academy was going to be sued for unethical practices. That my friend is slander if it is truly unfounded. You could be liable becaused it defames the school if it is NOT true. There is not such lawsuit. Also, going around throwing Mr. Brutrell's name around (when you don't know him; I on the other hand, have met him and talked with him quite extensively) is unfounded. My objection is that people get on these types of boards and love to spread unfounded rumors and stir up controversy that does not exist just because they think they got a "raw deal" and have to hurt the program and people that work there and try to scare off other students. If you think the school is expensive, well that maybe true and move on. We are the only flight school that puts out our pricing for people to see, along with the rates. So I can't see people not completely knowing what they are getting into when they come here. I know this school is not cheap. But move on, man. Listen, you got your ratings, no one stopped you from that!! If you got your job at Comair, well fantastic for you. Everyone has to take accountability for themselves and not blame the world or a school for their problems. IF it doesn't work out here for some students to become a CFI, maybe it is for a reason. Maybe they didn't interview well. Maybe, they failed more than 2 FAA checkrides. Maybe academically, they struggled somewhat. No one is perfect and not everyone who goes to ANY flight school is always meant to be an Airline Pilot. If that is the case, then be humble about it and move on with life. No one forces a person to stay here or even go the DCA.
Sorry, I just felt like rambling on, because it just seems like people on here love to use the DCA thread as a negative sounding board because life hits them between the eyes.
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I also have talked with Mr. Buttrell and I found him to be very fair and helped me quite extensively in settling my dispute with the school.
Yes, I was going to take legal action, however Mr. Buttrell resolved the issue to my complete satisfaction. I can't ask for more.
As far as spreading rumors, I just ask for facts with the usual "I heard" or "is this true?"
I know the school is not cheap, I knew that when I signed up. All I ask is for instructors not to milk people and management to care about thier customers. To me, it seems they do not.
In fact, I know of 2 cases(very recent) where some people I started with are already out $80,000.00 and have yet to get thier Commercial liscence. They also felt they were being milked,too.
I adviced them to go straight to the top -CVG and Fred Buttrell. I have seen this example so many times its' not funny. DCA has a great potential to be a great school,Thier training is EXCELLENT!!
I just wish thier customer service reflected that too.
Yes I got my ratings but I still hate to see a school take advantage of folks even more so when thier paying a huge amount of cash out and are getting the short end of the milk bone.
I hope DCA learns from this but, from what I hear, it continues. How sad.
Fat Bastard,
The thing I did not like about your first post is that you claimed that the academy was going to be sued for unethical practices. That my friend is slander if it is truly unfounded. You could be liable becaused it defames the school if it is NOT true. There is not such lawsuit. Also, going around throwing Mr. Brutrell's name around (when you don't know him; I on the other hand, have met him and talked with him quite extensively) is unfounded. My objection is that people get on these types of boards and love to spread unfounded rumors and stir up controversy that does not exist just because they think they got a "raw deal" and have to hurt the program and people that work there and try to scare off other students. If you think the school is expensive, well that maybe true and move on. We are the only flight school that puts out our pricing for people to see, along with the rates. So I can't see people not completely knowing what they are getting into when they come here. I know this school is not cheap. But move on, man. Listen, you got your ratings, no one stopped you from that!! If you got your job at Comair, well fantastic for you. Everyone has to take accountability for themselves and not blame the world or a school for their problems. IF it doesn't work out here for some students to become a CFI, maybe it is for a reason. Maybe they didn't interview well. Maybe, they failed more than 2 FAA checkrides. Maybe academically, they struggled somewhat. No one is perfect and not everyone who goes to ANY flight school is always meant to be an Airline Pilot. If that is the case, then be humble about it and move on with life. No one forces a person to stay here or even go the DCA.
Sorry, I just felt like rambling on, because it just seems like people on here love to use the DCA thread as a negative sounding board because life hits them between the eyes.
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I also have talked with Mr. Buttrell and I found him to be very fair and helped me quite extensively in settling my dispute with the school.
Yes, I was going to take legal action, however Mr. Buttrell resolved the issue to my complete satisfaction. I can't ask for more.
As far as spreading rumors, I just ask for facts with the usual "I heard" or "is this true?"
I know the school is not cheap, I knew that when I signed up. All I ask is for instructors not to milk people and management to care about thier customers. To me, it seems they do not.
In fact, I know of 2 cases(very recent) where some people I started with are already out $80,000.00 and have yet to get thier Commercial liscence. They also felt they were being milked,too.
I adviced them to go straight to the top -CVG and Fred Buttrell. I have seen this example so many times its' not funny. DCA has a great potential to be a great school,Thier training is EXCELLENT!!
I just wish thier customer service reflected that too.
Yes I got my ratings but I still hate to see a school take advantage of folks even more so when thier paying a huge amount of cash out and are getting the short end of the milk bone.
I hope DCA learns from this but, from what I hear, it continues. How sad.
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Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
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Bastard, Bastard...
You have no real idea of what really goes on... but thanks for answering in the same old fashion. The more you do it the harder it is to take anything you write seriously.
Thanks again for making my point.
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Fabio, have a great day. I gotta go study, buddy. I did go to the academy so I have a clue. I know you like my godfather posts, don't you?
Cmon, Fab, where's your funny bone? And quite being soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo serious!! I'm just messin with ya man.
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Fabio, can Tomahawk speak for himself?
Where did I mention enrollment in my post?
I couldn't you allege "cut it"? That's not what the F.A.A. said after I left you guys' money milkin pit, or COMAIR!!
I don't have to be biased or malicious, this is what I was told by one of your instructors on the inside. I just related that to everyone else.
The instructors that left got tired of all the Bull Manure they have to put up with. You claim they sucked, why did the almighty DCA hire them in the first place? Does DCA Human Resources heads reside in thier Anuses? Are they incompetent? C'mon Fab. puuuuuuuuhleaaaaaaasssssse!!
And why did you hire instructors on the outside for Houston? If you guys have a standz wait why not pick instructors from your pool o' fools? (Hey I made a funny!)
I heard enrollment was up mostly Chinese though. I also heard DCA SFB might close too. I just asked an open ended question.
And what's wrong with tellin people to protect thier money?
I was drinkin DCA Kool Aid with you, but was awaken from my drunken stupor by a detox ala JETCAREERS!!
And one more thing, Don Fabio, You insult the Father? You tell others about the man who helped you? Don Fabio, you know I still got those photos of heavy Debbie. The Father, has spoken.
P.S. Aggravated yet?? Fabio, underneath all that meaness I know your really Barney the Dinosaur. Feel a song comin on yet??
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Bastard, Bastard...
You have no real idea of what really goes on... but thanks for answering in the same old fashion. The more you do it the harder it is to take anything you write seriously.
Thanks again for making my point.
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Fabio, have a great day. I gotta go study, buddy. I did go to the academy so I have a clue. I know you like my godfather posts, don't you?
Cmon, Fab, where's your funny bone? And quite being soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo serious!! I'm just messin with ya man.
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA. Sorry Brett that you won't be joining us. The training really is top notch and despite what the vocal minority says, this place really does work if you put in the time and effort. Over thirty new folks in August, up to fifty coming in Sept., FatBastard you have some work to do if you want to keep more folks from coming here.
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Trying being mod...
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA. Sorry Brett that you won't be joining us. The training really is top notch and despite what the vocal minority says, this place really does work if you put in the time and effort. Over thirty new folks in August, up to fifty coming in Sept., FatBastard you have some work to do if you want to keep more folks from coming here.
DE727UPS
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"Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA."
I think it takes two to tango. Bastard is only one side of what this forum has lately become. If you guys had simply refuted his arguments without the negative drivel (sometimes you do), it would have made DCA look better.
I think it takes two to tango. Bastard is only one side of what this forum has lately become. If you guys had simply refuted his arguments without the negative drivel (sometimes you do), it would have made DCA look better.
ComplexHiAv8r
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"Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA."
"I think it takes two to tango. Bastard is only one side of what this forum has lately become. If you guys had simply refuted his arguments without the negative drivel (sometimes you do), it would have made DCA look better."
As I said earlier, his comments have been hearsay. He has not proven any facts. HE is no longer a student here, so everything he says is hearsay and gossip. If there are students here paying that kind of money for just 2 ratings, they should know when to quit! I am in the know about these things and have not heard of such a thing. I am sure the review board would have some words with these 2 individuals along with the accreditation since there are restrictions on time limits a student has to complete the programs.
If you chose to believe it, then there is nothing more to say. That is my refute to him. Again, I do not want to attack him personally, it is his spreading rumors on here which is rediculous. And it seems people believe everything they read on these posts. There is also, I've noticed lately, a lot of negative drivel on other schools threads as well. People should stick to the facts about flight training, take accountabilty for their own mistakes and not try to be vindictive. Is that the kind of pilot you want in the cockpit DE727??
"I think it takes two to tango. Bastard is only one side of what this forum has lately become. If you guys had simply refuted his arguments without the negative drivel (sometimes you do), it would have made DCA look better."
As I said earlier, his comments have been hearsay. He has not proven any facts. HE is no longer a student here, so everything he says is hearsay and gossip. If there are students here paying that kind of money for just 2 ratings, they should know when to quit! I am in the know about these things and have not heard of such a thing. I am sure the review board would have some words with these 2 individuals along with the accreditation since there are restrictions on time limits a student has to complete the programs.
If you chose to believe it, then there is nothing more to say. That is my refute to him. Again, I do not want to attack him personally, it is his spreading rumors on here which is rediculous. And it seems people believe everything they read on these posts. There is also, I've noticed lately, a lot of negative drivel on other schools threads as well. People should stick to the facts about flight training, take accountabilty for their own mistakes and not try to be vindictive. Is that the kind of pilot you want in the cockpit DE727??
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA. Sorry Brett that you won't be joining us. The training really is top notch and despite what the vocal minority says, this place really does work if you put in the time and effort. Over thirty new folks in August, up to fifty coming in Sept., FatBastard you have some work to do if you want to keep more folks from coming here.
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Gentlemen, (and Ladies)- I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME, OH wait, I was hopin "Don Fabio" would start singin the BARNEY song to me, guess not.
Anyhoo, I did not convince Brett not to attend, He did that himself. I know DCA is a top notch place to train, But Again ethics,ethics,ethics I say again ETHICS!!
Its' all about how you treat the customer that makes the view of the school. You instructors are always constantly defending the school, why not get someone in management to get on these boards and defend the school? How about John O'brein, Ron Lewis, Susan Burrell or Gabe Garce?(I miss Pat Murphy but we know what happened to him, well I don't.) Let them explain as to what happens when customer service suffers a catastrophic breakdown and how they resolve it. And no one is saying anything about the 152 on 9R incident. Why? No one also responded to the Pat Murphy thread too. Why? You guys weren't threatened with your jobs were you? How's Matt Nixon? The Bastard only informs, if a person chooses DCA that them. I know it works for people, seen many instructors get hired too. But there is that amount of, well, Bovine Fecal Matter one has to put up with. I also know standz break has dropped to zero. Things really opened up when all those instructors left, huh?
Well guys, have a great day, as for everyone else GET IN MY BELLY!!!
Back to studying, the CRJ is one amazing aircraft, I love it, but try to memorize that entire emergency checklist,(A Book, actually) which you must have memorized at the end of F.O. training.
Life, is Grand.
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I just came across this thread while browsing all the different school's forums, as I'm getting closer to deciding on a school for my CFI training. Now I remember why I never even looked at DCA. Maybe it's not a decision made based soley on hard facts, but I believe the ethic and attitude of a school tends to come out in the discussions of those who are there. Tomahawk, it is not the so called "slanderous" remarks of detractors that turned me off from DCA, it is the attitude toward others and the remarks of certain other indviduals from that school that has.
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Congrats FatBastard, you finally convinced someone not to attend DCA. Sorry Brett that you won't be joining us. The training really is top notch and despite what the vocal minority says, this place really does work if you put in the time and effort. Over thirty new folks in August, up to fifty coming in Sept., FatBastard you have some work to do if you want to keep more folks from coming here.
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Gentlemen, (and Ladies)- I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME, OH wait, I was hopin "Don Fabio" would start singin the BARNEY song to me, guess not.
Anyhoo, I did not convince Brett not to attend, He did that himself. I know DCA is a top notch place to train, But Again ethics,ethics,ethics I say again ETHICS!!
Its' all about how you treat the customer that makes the view of the school. You instructors are always constantly defending the school, why not get someone in management to get on these boards and defend the school? How about John O'brein, Ron Lewis, Susan Burrell or Gabe Garce?(I miss Pat Murphy but we know what happened to him, well I don't.) Let them explain as to what happens when customer service suffers a catastrophic breakdown and how they resolve it. And no one is saying anything about the 152 on 9R incident. Why? No one also responded to the Pat Murphy thread too. Why? You guys weren't threatened with your jobs were you? How's Matt Nixon? The Bastard only informs, if a person chooses DCA that them. I know it works for people, seen many instructors get hired too. But there is that amount of, well, Bovine Fecal Matter one has to put up with. I also know standz break has dropped to zero. Things really opened up when all those instructors left, huh?
Well guys, have a great day, as for everyone else GET IN MY BELLY!!!
Back to studying, the CRJ is one amazing aircraft, I love it, but try to memorize that entire emergency checklist,(A Book, actually) which you must have memorized at the end of F.O. training.
Life, is Grand.
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This thread is senseless!
Why continue to bash each other. If you want to continue that, pm each other. It degrades the validity of this forum.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Circle captures a square!
Ack! Flashbacks of "Hollywood Squares" in my youth!
This thread is senseless!
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Circle captures a square!
Ack! Flashbacks of "Hollywood Squares" in my youth!