glider to airplane transition

[eliteflight]

I have a student who has a Private Pilot certificate with only a Glider rating. She wants to add ASEL to her certificate.

From reading the regulations, I am unclear as to the overall requirements. All of the on-line references I could find deal with adding a glider rating to a certificate with an existing airplane rating, not the other way around.

The requirements are in 61.109(a). All of the sub-paragraphs below (a) specifically mention "single-engine", so it's obvious she has to meet all those requirements (cross-country, night, solo, etc.). But in (a) itself, where it gives the general 40 total, 20 dual, 10 solo requirements, it doesn't mention "single-engine", "airplane", "powered", or anything category/class specific. But, it does say "training on 61.107(b)(1)", which are the ASEL areas of operation.

So, my question is this: Does she have to meet the full 40/20/10 in a single-engine airplane, or do her glider hours cover the general total/dual/solo requirements, as long as she meets all the specific single-engine requirements?

Note that this is a category add-on, not a class add-on, so the exemptions from 61.63(c) that one usually sees when adding multi to single (or single to multi) don't apply here.

Opinions are welcome, but I'd really like to hear if anyone has actual experience doing an airplane add-on for someone with only a glider rating.

Thanks.

 

[Blackhawk]

I have a student who has a Private Pilot certificate with only a Glider rating. She wants to add ASEL to her certificate.

From reading the regulations, I am unclear as to the overall requirements. All of the on-line references I could find deal with adding a glider rating to a certificate with an existing airplane rating, not the other way around.

The requirements are in 61.109(a). All of the sub-paragraphs below (a) specifically mention "single-engine", so it's obvious she has to meet all those requirements (cross-country, night, solo, etc.). But in (a) itself, where it gives the general 40 total, 20 dual, 10 solo requirements, it doesn't mention "single-engine", "airplane", "powered", or anything category/class specific. But, it does say "training on 61.107(b)(1)", which are the ASEL areas of operation.

So, my question is this: Does she have to meet the full 40/20/10 in a single-engine airplane, or do her glider hours cover the general total/dual/solo requirements, as long as she meets all the specific single-engine requirements?

Note that this is a category add-on, not a class add-on, so the exemptions from 61.63(c) that one usually sees when adding multi to single (or single to multi) don't apply here.

Opinions are welcome, but I'd really like to hear if anyone has actual experience doing an airplane add-on for someone with only a glider rating.

Thanks.

She must meet the single engine land private specific training.
So:
Aeronautical experience.

(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (k) of this section, a person who applies for a private pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 40 hours of flight time that includes at least 20 hours of flight training from an authorized instructor and 10 hours of solo flight training in the areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.107(b)(1) of this part, and the training must include at least--
(1) 3 hours of cross-country flight training in a single-engine airplane;
(2) Except as provided in Sec. 61.110 of this part, 3 hours of night flight training in a single-engine airplane that includes--
(i) One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total distance; and
(ii) 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport.
(3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instruments, including straight and level flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;
(4) 3 hours of flight training in preparation for the practical test in a single-engine airplane, which must have been performed within 60 days preceding the date of the test; and
(5) 10 hours of solo flight time in a single-engine airplane, consisting of at least--
(i) 5 hours of solo cross-country time;
(ii) One solo cross-country flight of at least 150 nautical miles total distance, with full-stop landings at a minimum of three points, and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations; and
(iii) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.

Also, she must take the written:

Sec. 61.63
Additional aircraft ratings (other than on an airline transport pilot certificate).

(a) General. To be eligible for an additional aircraft rating to a pilot certificate, for other than an airline transport pilot certificate, an applicant must meet the appropriate requirements of this section for the additional aircraft rating sought.
(b) Additional category rating. An applicant who holds a pilot certificate and applies to add a category rating to that pilot certificate:
(1) Must have received the required training and possess the aeronautical experience prescribed by this part that applies to the pilot certificate for the aircraft category and, if applicable, class rating sought;
(2) Must have an endorsement in his or her logbook or training record from an authorized instructor, and that endorsement must attest that the applicant has been found competent in the aeronautical knowledge areas appropriate to the pilot certificate for the aircraft category and, if applicable, class rating sought;
(3) Must have an endorsement in his or her logbook or training record from an authorized instructor, and that endorsement must attest that the applicant has been found proficient on the areas of operation that are appropriate to the pilot certificate for the aircraft category and, if applicable, class rating sought;
(4) Must pass the required practical test that is appropriate to the pilot certificate for the aircraft category and, if applicable, class rating sought; and
(5) Need not take an additional knowledge test, provided the applicant holds an airplane, rotorcraft, powered-lift, or airship rating at that pilot certificate level.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

But, it does say "training on 61.107(b)(1)", which are the ASEL areas of operation.

61.107 doesn't specify any minimum amount of time for the training, just that you have to do it in those areas, in that category and class.

It will probably take 40 hours anyway.

 

[esa17]

61.107 doesn't specify any minimum amount of time for the training, just that you have to do it in those areas, in that category and class.

It will probably take 40 hours anyway.

That all depends. If the pilot is proficient I'm sure they will have an easier transition. Flying a glider will certainly provide a beneficial skill set.

 

[Blackhawk]

61.107 doesn't specify any minimum amount of time for the training, just that you have to do it in those areas, in that category and class.

It will probably take 40 hours anyway.

I usually figure about 30 hours for RW-FW transition. Glider/sail plane to FW should be less.