Glider Time in logbook

Inverted25

Inverted25

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Here my question. I recently got into soaring at a local private club. They lost their main instructor so I am going to be gettting my CFI-G and I will be one of the main instuctors next summer at a very busy club. I know i can log this time in my normal logbook and it goes toward my TT. But others have advised against it. Some have told me to just keep a seperate logbook for soaring because most employers wont count that time. What is your guys opinions. I know a few of you soar on here so what do you do and have any of you encountered isssues with that time in your logbook.
 
No way I'd keep a separate logbook. Glider training/flying is certainly time well spent and if I were interviewing you I'd think very highly of it.
 
I am not a glider pilot but why not log it, especially if you are a CFI. If it were my book I'd log it under Glider, Duration, and Dual Given.... I'd only pull the time out if the application I was filling out said do not include glider timer.

My.02 worth.

By the way, Logbook Pro would make it easy to keep track of your times and extracting various totals is quite easy.
 
I have two separate logbooks.

One reason for that is that I started logging glider time when I was 7, before I started flying airplanes. The cheap paper glider logbooks have a format that tailors to glider logging.

Even after I filled my first glider logbook, I replaced it with another one last year. All airplane time is kept in the standard boring logbook.

I don't really see anything wrong with it and actually prefer splitting it. It helps me to keep track of things better.

It all goes together in my online logbook though.
 
I use logbrook pro already and yes that does making pulling out different kinds of time very easy. I thank everyone who has responded. My paper logbook does have a glider heading. I think I will keep two logbooks. But I will put my glider time in my regular logbook to count towards my total time but i am going to keep a glider logbook as well just to make it easier to keep track of my soaring.
 
I have two seperate logbooks, but fill both out with the time information. The only reason I keep a glider one is because it allows for more soaring specific details. As a Glider instructor, I would log everything I would in a 172 excpet SEL (TT, PIC, Dual Given, ect).

Alex.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Some have told me to just keep a separate logbook for soaring because most employers wont count that time.
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I would ask these guys what specific employers they've interviewed with, since them obviously have interviewed with most employers in America.

Even if that was true, and most employers discredit glider time, that still means that some will honor what the FAA defines as flight time. Airlines have taken similar stances on helo time (either discredited or discounted), but I don't personally know guys who keep separate books for RW & FW.

Personally, I put it all in the same book. That's why my book has category and class columns.
 
I use two books.

And when someone suggests that glider time is of only little value, I bring up the following points:

1. Sully's passengers (and his company) are extremely thankful that he was an experienced glider pilot.
2. How many power pilots have been killed when they lost an engine on takeoff and were unable to glide to a safe landing?
3. Any time you carry passengers on sight-seeing rides, etc. (glider or power), that's serious flying. Responsibility aside, you learn how to not scare the pax, how to handle them on the ground, how to put them at ease, etc.
3. Stick/rudder skills & aerobatic skills.
4. Knowledge of how the wind behaves around mountains, obstacles, etc. and being able to read clouds.
5. Since going around is not an option, you get really good at nailing your approaches.
6. And, my favorite: anyone can fly a plane with an engine, but it takes real skill to keep a plane up in the air without one!
 
gliderboy said:
I use two books.

And when someone suggests that glider time is of only little value, I bring up the following points:

1. Sully's passengers (and his company) are extremely thankful that he was an experienced glider pilot.
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Allow me to add another to your "1.":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

Two paper log books work best with gliders because you will want to record type of launch (self, aero, or winch) as well as release height and maximum height (columns that do not fit well in airplane logbooks).

Computer based consolidated logbooks are very valuable.

One other loosely related point I would like to add is that losing logbooks is far more common that most people would imagine. Anyone who is serious about professional aviation should make copies of their logbook in some manner and keep those copies in a different place than the logbook.
 
tlewis95 said:
I have two separate logbooks.
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I'd say it is 50/50 at my club, having 2 logbooks or 1. I personally have only one. I put the release altitude and launch type in the remarks (safe to assume aerotow in the US, but if it were otherwise, then I would log it)

If you are going to be using dual given/glider as total time towards a CMEL/CSEL, it might make sense to keep it in one logbook.
 
Houston said:
Allow me to add another to your "1.":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
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Then there is that crew that deadsticked it into the Azores when they developed a fuel leak and ran out of gas.
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BTW, I would log it. Looking at your total time of 436, I would say log it for sure till you hit ATP mins. I got a buddy who went to the airlines with less than 1k airplane hrs, but around 600 hrs balloon. He could have met upgrade mins right away:laff: .

Just don't present to an employer that says not to, or put it in a second column.
 
gliderboy said:
And when someone suggests that glider time is of only little value, I bring up the following points:

1. Sully's passengers (and his company) are extremely thankful that he was an experienced glider pilot.
2. How many power pilots have been killed when they lost an engine on takeoff and were unable to glide to a safe landing?
3. Any time you carry passengers on sight-seeing rides, etc. (glider or power), that's serious flying. Responsibility aside, you learn how to not scare the pax, how to handle them on the ground, how to put them at ease, etc.
3. Stick/rudder skills & aerobatic skills.
4. Knowledge of how the wind behaves around mountains, obstacles, etc. and being able to read clouds.
5. Since going around is not an option, you get really good at nailing your approaches.
6. And, my favorite: anyone can fly a plane with an engine, but it takes real skill to keep a plane up in the air without one!
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What great points they are too. I think that simple situational awareness in general can be improved greatly with glider training. Stuff like traffic and position monitoring become second nature and very important, and both carry over very well into airplane driving.
 
Jbroz04 said:
Some have told me to just keep a seperate logbook for soaring because most employers wont count that time. What is your guys opinions. I know a few of you soar on here so what do you do and have any of you encountered isssues with that time in your logbook.
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Keeping the logs separate because employers won't count the time - isn't a good reason. Keeping them separate because the glider logbook has more detail than an airplane logbook is a better reason.

I had two separate logbooks and eventually combined them into one log when I started logging everything in Microsoft Excel. I made a single line entry in the paper airplane logbook totaling out all the time in the glider logbook. From that point, I started logging both glider and airplane flights in one paper logbook and in Excel - with all the glider specific details in the Excel Logbook.

No one has made any issue of the glider time being in my logbook at any of my interviews - other than the first airline interviewer - when I barely had more airplane time than glider time (with 700 total). I got hired anyway.
 
G, like TW, adds never subtracts. If I saw either one in an applicant's logbook, I would give further consideration to that pilot.
 
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