GI Bill and endorsements

[NovemberEcho]

I know you can only use the Post 9/11 GIB for post-ppl training, but does this include endorsements like tailwheel, high performance/complex, seaplane etc or is it strictly IFR/Commerical/CFI/ATP? Haven’t been able to find an answer anywhere.

 

[Flyinthrew]

I know you can only use the Post 9/11 GIB for post-ppl training, but does this include endorsements like tailwheel, high performance/complex, seaplane etc or is it strictly IFR/Commerical/CFI/ATP? Haven’t been able to find an answer anywhere.

The training must be in a Part 141 program. So if you happen to be find a place where you do your commercial cert or instrument rating in a tailwheel airplane, then there you go. Basically, whatever endorsement you want has to be incidental to a rating or certification at a 141 school.

Just for completeness, seaplane is a rating, not an endorsement.


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[Finny]

The training must be in a Part 141 program. So if you happen to be find a place where you do your commercial cert or instrument rating in a tailwheel airplane, then there you go. Basically, whatever endorsement you want has to be incidental to a rating or certification at a 141 school.

Just for completeness, seaplane is a rating, not an endorsement.


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It’s not hard to work in some of those endorsements into a 141 syllabus, especially for a single engine commercial certificate. Just make sure that your paperwork is done to a T and that everything lines up because the VA will audit to make sure nothing nefarious is happening. Good luck finding a 141 SES curriculum however!

 

[NovemberEcho]

It’s not hard to work in some of those endorsements into a 141 syllabus, especially for a single engine commercial certificate. Just make sure that your paperwork is done to a T and that everything lines up because the VA will audit to make sure nothing nefarious is happening. Good luck finding a 141 SES curriculum however!

Im not planning on getting commercial but my current school is part 61 and 141 so I’ll be using them for IFR and high performance, but for tw/seaplane I’ll have to travel off LI. Not a single TW CFI or rental anywhere on LI that I can find.

 

[ahw01]

It’s not hard to work in some of those endorsements into a 141 syllabus, especially for a single engine commercial certificate. Just make sure that your paperwork is done to a T and that everything lines up because the VA will audit to make sure nothing nefarious is happening. Good luck finding a 141 SES curriculum however!

Part 141 Seaplane Rating | Southern Seaplane

Information about Southern Seaplane's Part 141 Seaplane School.

www.southernseaplane.com

https://www.jberaeroclub.com/uploads/1/7/4/0/17405139/flight_training_catalog_revised_24_july.pdf

 

[fholbert]

The training must be in a Part 141 program. So if you happen to be find a place where you do your commercial cert or instrument rating in a tailwheel airplane, then there you go. Basically, whatever endorsement you want has to be incidental to a rating or certification at a 141 school.

Yep. Been there, done that, bought the tee shirt.

When I used mine (Vietnam Vet) it was anything on the line for the Commercial. Keep in mind a Complex endorsement is required for commercial. They also had a 300hp Cherokee Six that I ask to be checked out in too.

The ME and INST courses were more restricted. I had to pick a syllabus from two or three different options. I picked the biggest and most expensive.

• All of my instrument was in a complex (Arrow) with 10 hours in ME (Aztec).
• At the same time I was taking my ME training. I passed on the quick courses and picked the ME course with 36 hours of training. We even did some ME cross country training.

I flew the dead leg of a couple ME charters with my ME instructor. Combined with training I had over 50 hours of ME which at the time was the magic number for insurance.

 

[Lawman]

Yep. Been there, done that, bought the tee shirt.

When I used mine (Vietnam Vet) it was anything on the line for the Commercial. Keep in mind a Complex endorsement is required for commercial. They also had a 300hp Cherokee Six that I ask to be checked out in too.

The ME and INST courses were more restricted. I had to pick a syllabus from two or three different options. I picked the biggest and most expensive.

• All of my instrument was in a complex (Arrow) with 10 hours in ME (Aztec).
• At the same time I was taking my ME training. I passed on the quick courses and picked the ME course with 36 hours of training. We even did some ME cross country training.

I flew the dead leg of a couple ME charters with my ME instructor. Combined with training I had over 50 hours of ME which at the time was the magic number for insurance.

There have been a constant string of new laws and codified limits placed on using the GI bill for straight up flight training.

Cashing in on mil training to get you the commercial ticket and then using the GI bill for the ATP was a norm. Not anymore.


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[///AMG]

There have been a constant string of new laws and codified limits placed on using the GI bill for straight up flight training.

Cashing in on mil training to get you the commercial ticket and then using the GI bill for the ATP was a norm. Not anymore.


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Still possible to use GI Bill for ATP (I did it). Like flyintherew said, needs to be a 141 program, and you need to have an FAA 1st class w/n 6 months prior to training, plus the training approval letter from the VA. Still a pretty good deal, though ATP is a pretty poor way of spending what could be a much larger education fund for your children (it basically burns a year of entitlement, at a much cheaper rate than the annual limits are capped at, if my understanding is correct). My justification was that if I am successful in the 121 world, I will most likely be able to put away a small college fund for both of my boys, and still use the remaining years of GI benefits transferred to them, one at a time for consecutive years.

I think the commercial competency still stands with mil training, though I don't know because I got mine via the civilian training route. FSDO did give me the free multiengine add on once I was NATOPS qualified in the Hornet though.......and the rule change last year removed my C/L thrust restriction, though multi-ATP does that inherently.