Getting off the scab list

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3MTA3

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Let's say that I accidentally flew a leg during a strike, and my name got put on the "scab list." Is my Part-121 career over at that point, or is there any way I could my name off the "list"?
 
There's really no official "list" so there's really no way of contacting anyone to get off of it.
 
Companies don't care if you're a scab, they probably prefer it. Unions generally aren't asked for opinions on hiring because applicants aren't union members until AFTER being hired. HOWEVER... life on the line may not be pleasant once it becomes known.
 
Aviation is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect...and unions are even more so. Forewarned is forearmed.
 
Career (pay/seniority/schedule) wise, the best thing pops could have done was scab at CAL back in '83. The people that he knew that scabed are 777 lineholding CAs and uber senior 756 CAs. He would have been a CA 10+ years before he actually upgraded, and probably would have ~1 million more in career earnings.

Does he regret not scabbing? Hell no. Is he 'happy' the way things worked out for him? sort of, we will see more as the merger plays out.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Career (pay/seniority/schedule) wise, the best thing pops could have done was scab at CAL back in '83. The people that he knew that scabed are 777 lineholding CAs and uber senior 756 CAs. He would have been a CA 10+ years before he actually upgraded, and probably would have ~1 million more in career earnings.

Does he regret not scabbing? Hell no. Is he 'happy' the way things worked out for him? sort of, we will see more as the merger plays out.
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The CAL situations seems one where scabbing either had no detrimental effect or very little. As has been seen, those scabs were given some sort of "forgive" status, and I imagine that so long as they never left CAL, they were fine. But even so, they were forgiven anyway since ALPA wanted back on property........each side had a trump card the other needed. What that meant for later in their future Im not sure.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Career (pay/seniority/schedule) wise, the best thing pops could have done was scab at CAL back in '83. The people that he knew that scabed are 777 lineholding CAs and uber senior 756 CAs. He would have been a CA 10+ years before he actually upgraded, and probably would have ~1 million more in career earnings.

Does he regret not scabbing? Hell no. Is he 'happy' the way things worked out for him? sort of, we will see more as the merger plays out.
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It sounds like scabbing could actually be beneficial? Your right that this is a confusing issue!
 
3MTA3 said:
It sounds like scabbing could actually be beneficial? Your right that this is a confusing issue!
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Now I think you're kidding.

Charlie Sheen smokes crack. Smoking crack does not mean you're going to be a multi-millionaire comedian.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Now I think you're kidding.
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Okay, I was with the beneficial crack. But seriously, now that I listen to you guys, it seems the only thing that really stands in the way of someone scabbing and being successful is some sort of code of honor. Look at the posts; it's like the "scab list" is a boogie man. It doesn't exist.

The only real downside to the "scab list" it seems is that some overzealous captain might use it to kick someone off their jumpseat. Seriously? That's it? Guys are scabs get promoted up to 777/756 CAs?

But that does make me wonder what are the real deterents to scabbing a strike, besides the possibility of getting kicked off a jumpseat or some broken sense of honor. Not to be-little the sence of honor as that your reputation is a big deal but if theres no scab list and guys are not only still flying with the mainline carriers but actually getting promoted what's the real "bad thing" about breaking the union lines?

Its like who PFT/PFJ thing. Everyone says how its bad and awful. But there are guys on this here very board who have done PFT/PFJ and are successful pilots today. If PFT/PFJ is so bad, then why do people do it? And why aren't those who do tarred and feathered and treated like pariahs?

There's all these "don't do it or else" things, but what is the "or else"?

All this talk about unions and union busting in the news has gotten me thinking alot lately and I wondered what would happen if an airline union struck, but people continued to work any way?? Would there be some avenue for recourse if you made a flight? But that has now led me to question about union policies in general. What is the "or else"?

Charlie Sheen smokes crack. Smoking crack does not mean you're going to be a multi-millionaire comedian.
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I'll use your analagy. Charlie Sheen smokes crack. Charlie Sheen doesn't go to jail but hooks up with two hot women in a love palace.
Therefore why don't I smoke crack? Its not that I'll be a millionaire but if there are no ramifications for Charlie Sheen and putting a side all the health issues why shouldn't I smoke crack?
 
3MTA3 said:
Let's say that I accidentally flew a leg during a strike, and my name got put on the "scab list." Is my Part-121 career over at that point, or is there any way I could my name off the "list"?
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No, not off of the copy of the list that I have anyway.

I shared a crashpad with nine mainline guys and they had pretty awful things to say about their scab co-workers. Occasionally one would walk in having just crossed the pond with a scab and apparently not one single word was said between the two FOs and the scab captain in 8-11 hours of flying, other than checklist type stuff. And that was the norm.

If that's the way anyone would want to spend a career, then I guess being a scab is no big deal to them.
 
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