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I don't think it would even be possible to attend Ari Ben at your age. If one has three years of high school left typically you are only 15/16 years old... I'm sure Ari Ben wants you to be atleast 18... thats commercial requirement age anyway.
 
I teach the UK equivalent of high school (11yo thru to 18 yo) if you can't focus on High School studies when you know that you need the quialifications from finishing those studies for your future life, how on earth do you expect to cope with the long, complex and arduous classes associated with training pilots? It is not all taught by practical flying lessons in the air 1 on 1!!!!
Every year I see perfectly able kids go through my classes who just don't make the effort to participate or work in class. I teach science, so at least sometimes we have some exciting experiments we can do, but not all science classes are like that - the same goes with pilot training.
The same goes with for nearly all degrees at university - you gotta sit through some boring, not so interesting classes, subjects, teachers, etc. to get what and where you want.

My advice learn to take the rough with the smooth and focus yourself on your learning!! Save me from this
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Andrew, Let me give you a bit of sage advice.

Number One! Stay is school. Is it boring? probably. But believe me so is unemployment. An education is fundamental to grasping the wider world in which we live. A well rounded individual who’s prepared for success will know about a lot more things than just aviation. If you are finding High school is not challenging enough, or preparing you for a future of your choosing then enroll in a community college and challenge yourself. Of course that may require that you really push yourself in High school to show that you have the skills to meet the challenge. Leaving High school early will also cost you tons of social experience. While it may not sound important to you now, it is. Get involved with clubs (i.e. the young eagles or a local EAA chapter) stretch your social skills and meet people and learn from their experiences. Just being involved in your community will give you an education that money can’t buy. Do not neglect the process of learning; in the end you will become a better person for having made the effort. And you’ll be damned proud of yourself. I know three years sounds like a helluva long time but believe me there’ll come a day when you’ll be old enough to forget entire three year blocks of your life.

Number Two. Do not get fooled by bogus time lines! You are still young; don’t force yourself into a pattern of keeping up with other people. Hell Son, if you do that you’ll be forever disappointed in yourself because there will always be somebody ahead, and you’ll always be running behind. Live your life at your own pace. Set goals base on what you can achieve not on what someone else ‘may’ achieve. Above all live! Enjoy life. Be your own man and not a follower, figure out what Andrew believes in and embrace it. Don’t let the passion of a dream fall into ruin because you set off rushed and under-prepared. Don’t be afraid to invest the time in yourself and following your dream but do it at a reasonable pace.

Number three. Be realistic! Maybe you should first think about staying in school, working towards the dual achievement of getting your PPL and your Diploma. These are realistic goals. But for a young man to sit down with three years left in High school and try to map out his entire future, well that’s just setting yourself up to fail. You can’t eat an Elephant in one bite, nor can you plan your whole life in an afternoon. Get the basics done, ground school, PPL and then move on to the next stage. But for God’s sake enjoy the process and keep working towards your goals. Don’t approach life as if everything is a make or break situation, or again you’ll be sadly disappointed. Flight is a beautiful experience, don’t ruin it by trying to cram yourself into someone else’s model.


If you think I’m just some old guy trying to preach drop me a PM and I’ll describe how impatience has cost me opportunities in life. I’d like you to have a smoother path and it all begins with slowing down on those big decisions and really examining the repercussions of your actions.

A bit of what if. What if you get your GED, spend a fortune on flight school and by your twenty first birthday your ready for the regionals and one night in celebrations of all you’ve worked for somebody buy’s that one drink that’s one to many and your drive away, get stopped and arrested. You’ll have all the ratings, a huge debt and absolutely zero job prospects. Even home depot will want that High school diploma. The Military will want it. Any decent job with a future will want to see a good educational background. All the pilot ratings in the world aren’t going to help you get that non-aviation job. Prepare for all things and you’ll be successful in all things. And no I didn’t learn that in High school, I learned it someplace far more unpleasant; a place called failure.
 
Thanks DE727UPS and DTA for real words of encouragement. And thanks DTA for not being afraid to teach through personal experience instead of through a "holier than thou. . ." attitude. It's the best way!
 
I really think it depends on the situation. A high school diploma is not even a requirement for college any more. Some of the best students are home schooled. My oldest son didn't finish high school or get a GED and had no problem getting accepted at college, several good ones in fact. He's finishing up his degree right now.

So if you get the college and the ratings and the degrees I can't imagine there would be a problem. But you can never underestimate the short-sightedness of some personnel people.
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Im thinking about just taking online courses and programs and nightschool to get it, I just cant sit in that damn classroom that long and concentrate etc,

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There is a lot of book knowledge required for flying. Infact my High School principle said his PPL written was the hardest test he has taken. When you start flying airliners you will have 8 weeks of training, which are incredible tough - and it is often the case you do not pass them, you are no longer employed.
 
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Or at least i Could work on my Highschool diploma through courses online or at home all up until I apply for Regionals


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I'll tell you right now, from experience- online courses (at least at ERAU) can be hell, especially if you take more than 2 at a time. If you can't sit in a classroom in high school (which is supremely easy in comparision), you damn sure aren't going to be able to finish a degree online. It takes mad amounts of discipline, which, judging by what you've written, you do not posess (yet). Aside from that, for the rest of your career, you'll be going through all your flight training, then more advanced aircraft training later on. I'm constantly studying something to stay fresh on it- regs, procedures, aircraft systems, etc and repeat. And this is on top of studying for my ATP and maybe soon another aircraft. If you can't stand high school, how are you going to deal with all that?

Sorry if I sound negative, but it seems like you've given up already, and thats a bad 'tude to have. You've got 3 more years of high school left...if you REALLY want to be a pilot bad enough, then shape up, turn yourself around, and find some way to get motivated. There are no shortcuts. Good luck.
 
Why does everyone assume that someone with a GED his some low grade highschool dropout? I take a bit of personal offense to that... Actually, it's probably true for the most part, but there are exceptions!

I know of my self and another who were both homeschooled, both are entering college in the fall and both have GEDs. For me, it was easier when dealing with the bureaucratic crap that happens in college to have it on top of homeschooling. Regulations for homeschooling vary greatly from state to state, with New York being one of the, if not the most regulated state.

So the question for me is, why the hell wouldn't you be able to have a job with a four year degree, even if you had a GED (or nothing, as some homeschoolers have)? If someone can make it through COLLEGE with a degree, then what they did in highschool is completely irrelevant.

Err.. Other than that, I completely agree with most of the advice, stay in school if you can at all help it, even if it takes a 5th year to graduate! You will need a college degree to make it, so you better start practicing the learning in highschool, or you won't be able to handle it very well in college!

I would definately NOT advise trying to go with ah online degree off the bat, everyone I've spoken to has said it is much harder than a traditional class room setting. College is going to be fun dude, go to a local college, have a blast and get your degree.
 
I am about to enter my senior year of high school and I think I may have some idea of what you are going through. I am willing to bet that you are bored in class because the subject doesn't interest you, or you already know most of the things that are being taught to you. I had that problem and I can honestly tell you that I am glad I stuck it out and hung around to finish out high school. Yes, the classes that I took are of little value to me, yet, I learned many life lessons in high school. I also learned many social lessons that I would have missed out on if I left early. My suggestion to you, is that you stick it out and find some way to make school fun and worthwhile. Maybe you should set some goals for yourself like getting good grades on your report card. The key is to also set up a reward system with those goals. Make all A's and B's and earn a flight lesson or something like that. Anyway, good luck to you on your decision whatever it may be.
 
Woah I did'nt want cause any trouble

im thinking about just doing something else other then pilot cause I'll never be able to get there, I'm going to get my HS through net courses and night courses then I dunno what I'll do maybe when I'm older I'll get all my ratings and CFI meh,

thanks for all your help

Andrew
 
First of all, don't think that you caused any trouble because you did not. You had a legitimate question that you wanted advice on. Second, don't rule being a pilot out if it is something that you really want to do. If you want it bad enough then you will get. But mostly make sure that you pick a career that you will be happy in. That is a lesson that I have learned through work. I sure as hell don't want to be cleaning toilets and picking up trash for the rest of my life.
 
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im thinking about just doing something else other then pilot cause I'll never be able to get there

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Why do you say that? I'm a little confused by all of this. If you want something bad enough, you can do it...especially at your stage in the game. Is there something you aren't telling us, or what?
 
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Why does everyone assume that someone with a GED his some low grade highschool dropout? I take a bit of personal offense to that...


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Actually, maybe I should go back and reread everything but I thought at least one person said there were legitimate reasons for having a GED, and I don't remember any one saying that any one w/ a GED is a low grade drop out. Maybe you were a little more sensitive to the remarks then I was but I didn't get the same impression you did I guess.

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So the question for me is, why the hell wouldn't you be able to have a job with a four year degree, even if you had a GED (or nothing, as some homeschoolers have)? If someone can make it through COLLEGE with a degree, then what they did in highschool is completely irrelevant.

[/ QUOTE ] In the case of a teenager who is so behind in HS even with *3* years left, I don't think the concern is that he wouldn't be able to get a job after college. I think the concern is that he wouldn't cut it in college any better then he is now. So he might be left w/ not only no HS degree, but also no college degree, and by the time he realizes he can't hack it at HS either, he might be in his mid 20's, maybe even late 20's, married, and with a kid? Then what do you do? You look back at your teenage years and wish you could do it over and learned some patience in dicipline in HS.
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everyone I've spoken to has said it is much harder than a traditional class room setting.

[/ QUOTE ] Actually Corbin thinks it's way way way easier online, and from what I have seen I tend to agree. It was slightly more expensive, UVSC has an "off campus" surcharge, but it's worth it, especially when you consider the gas you save. However, Corbin is an old married guy with a kid so maybe his view is different then some one who is young and should be enjoying the more social part of college.
 
here's my 2 centz:

GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL, DON'T GO FOR YOUR Good Enough Diploma (caps off) I too am in HS very soon to be finishing and I can say that I have seen many kids fall into "the trap". They say to me " you're an idiot, you got a year left of HS and I got 1 month of GED classes then I'm done", yes technically they are right and who knows maybe they will wind up being entrepreneurs and I will fly their Gulfstreams/Citations/Falcons/BBJ's for them (which wouldn't be a bad deal
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Best of luck, I hope you find the answer you were looking for,

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Maybe cause I gave them a personal example? Actually, maybe I should go back and reread everything but I thought at least one person said there were legitimate reasons for having a GED, and I don't remember any one saying that any one w/ a GED is a low grade drop out. Maybe you were a little more sensitive to the remarks then I was but I didn't get the same impression you did I guess.


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I'm not really that sensitive to the remarks, and I can't believe I'm the only one that saw the general tone of how the conversation was going
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It sounded like to me, that if you get a GED instead of a high school diploma, you are automatically doomed for life, and have proven your self unable to handle college or a career. I got mine under very different circumstances, but I just wanted to try and break the stereotype a bit.

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In the case of a teenager who is so behind in HS even with *3* years left, I don't think the concern is that he wouldn't be able to get a job after college. I think the concern is that he wouldn't cut it in college any better then he is now. So he might be left w/ not only no HS degree, but also no college degree, and by the time he realizes he can't hack it at HS either, he might be in his mid 20's, maybe even late 20's, married, and with a kid? Then what do you do? You look back at your teenage years and wish you could do it over and learned some patience in dicipline in HS.

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I find it hard to believe someone can be that far behind with 3 years left, even though it may be easily perceived as such, especially with the crazy pressure people have on them. That is a lot of time to catch up and finish school.

The question was "Is it possible to get anywhere in airline industry with a GED?", and that's what I was talking about.


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Actually Corbin thinks it's way way way easier online, and from what I have seen I tend to agree. It was slightly more expensive, UVSC has an "off campus" surcharge, but it's worth it, especially when you consider the gas you save. However, Corbin is an old married guy with a kid so maybe his view is different then some one who is young and should be enjoying the more social part of college

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Well, okay, everyone but a couple I've spoken to find it much harder
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Anyways, again, FINISH HIGH SCHOOL, get a tutor if you need to, take summer classes, just do it!
 
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Can I get a bachelors in aeronautical science online?

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No, but you can get Professional Aeronautics.
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Another note on GEDs, and it's not just you JD. I think it's the underlying tone of most of the posts. It's probably not meant, but there are a lot of degrading things being said about GEDs. "Home Depot will want that High School diploma," calling it a "Good Enough Diploma," and assuming that if someone gets their GED, but doesn't cut it in college won't be able to get even an entry level job. People GED=HS diploma. They are the same thing, just different paths to it. I look back on HS, and for me taking the GED would have been BETTER. Would have saved my parents tons of money (I went to a private school), and I would have saved at least a year of feeling social inept, picked on, and run over. HS for me was a major league BAD experience. The teachers were too focused on religion and just glossed over most of the material. I had two good teachers out of my entire high school experience, and I thank them greatly for preparing me for college. The rest of my teachers did nothing but tell me I was going to hell, and I wouldn't need this stuff. No wonder most of my classmates dropped out of junior college.....

Wow, not sure where all THAT came from. I meant to just make the statement that GEDs and diplomas are the same thing, just on different ink and paper, and I went into full on rant mode. Sorry, continue.
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After reading the full thread, I have come to the conclusion that it could be god or bad, and It depends on the person. I dont think anyone of us know andrew well enough to gauge what is good for him. All I can say is, follow your dreams, and think hard about your decisions before you follow them. Good luck
 
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