Gas Prices again? (Oil prices/politics)

Lets get into the alternative oil source conversation. Was reading today at shale oil and sand oil which the United States has a ton of. Right now we don't do much with it because int he past it was too expensive to get out. But at current prices it would be profitable.

It's not just cost that has (and will) make oil shale unfeasable, it's also because extracting usable oil from shale is a very energy intensive process. If it takes almost one barrel of oil to produce one barrel of oil-shale oil, then you're engaged in an exercise of futility.
 
Why get into the alternative oil conversation when we can talk about using less oil?

Suppose we did come up with a new alternative fuel that could replace oil tomorrow...I can't afford to upgrade my car, home etc. I know many of you cant either. The goal should be to reduce consumption, because in my opinion, an alternative is not an over night fix. Realistically, how long will it take for an alternative to replace oil? A decade? Maybe a generation?
 
It's not just cost that has (and will) make oil shale unfeasable, it's also because extracting usable oil from shale is a very energy intensive process. If it takes almost one barrel of oil to produce one barrel of oil-shale oil, then you're engaged in an exercise of futility.

I will have to look for the article again but I was reading one off yahoo the other day that was saying Exxon and someone else had field tested a way of extracting shale oil that didnt use the massive amounts of energy that was required in previous attempts and beleives that shale oil could be viable source of oil within 5-10 years. Oil sands though which we also have a ton of have been proven viable by the Canadians.

Why get into the alternative oil conversation when we can talk about using less oil? Seems to be an easier concept. Seriously. The next soccer mom you see at the red light in her shiny new H1 - Knock her ass out. Tell her to get her smug on and drive a shiny new Honda Fit. Spend more on gardening your own vegetables.

Because as other have pointed out there is no overnight fix. I'm all for devolping and researching alternative ways to power cars, cities etc. But why we are still working out those details we should also be considering how to continue in our current way for the time being. If oil shale will give us another 40-50 year safety net of oil I am all for it. For oil shale to be profitable prices will have to stay high for oil. As long as the prices stay high I think you will continue to see research and development of cheaper alternatives. One alternative right now no one talks much about is naturnal gas which was have a ton of here in the United States. There are some cars made to run off natural gas and they are much cheaper a month to operate than conventional gas driven cars. Yahoo did a big article about the cheapest cars to operate per month using the same miles driven for every car and the natural gas driven car topped the list. Problem with natural gas is there isnt a infrastructure for it as far as fill up stations for cars. But its very feasible to have a large fill tank in your backyard.
 
It's not like there is a complete vacuum of academics that aren't aware and working on solving the problem. Just because it's not splashed on your internet newsfeed or your cable tv news channel of preference does not mean no one is working the issue.

So many things in this world that look lopsided because our our in-your-face need of information, and if it's not in your face, it's not happening.

People need to go about their business, turn off the cable ratings mongers and the sensationalistic "journalism" (I mean you know it's bad when TMZ and a "legitimate" news source use similar presentation styles and actually cover the same things).

Go out, party, get laid, read a book, smoke some weed. Do something to chill.

Source

Spanish scientists search for fuel of the future
By Virginie Grognou (AFP) – Mar 30, 2011
ALICANTE, Spain — In a forest of tubes eight metres high in eastern Spain scientists hope they have found the fuel of tomorrow: bio-oil produced with algae mixed with carbon dioxide from a factory.
Almost 400 of the green tubes, filled with millions of microscopic algae, cover a plain near the city of Alicante, next to a cement works from which the C02 is captured and transported via a pipeline to the "blue petroleum" factory.
The project, which is still experimental, has been developed over the past five years by Spanish and French researchers at the small Bio Fuel Systems (BFS) company.
At a time when companies are redoubling their efforts to find alternative energy sources, the idea is to reproduce and speed up a process which has taken millions of years and which has led to the production of fossil fuels.
"We are trying to simulate the conditions which existed millions of years ago, when the phytoplankton was transformed into oil," said engineer Eloy Chapuli. "In this way, we obtain oil that is the same as oil today."
The microalgae reproduces at high speed in the tubes by photosynthesis and from the CO2 released from the cement factory.
Every day some of this highly concentrated liquid is extracted and filtered to produce a biomass that is turned into bio-oil.
The other great advantage of the system is that it is a depollutant -- it absorbs the C02 which would otherwise be released into the atmosphere.
"It's ecological oil," said the founder and chairman of BFS, French engineer Bernard Stroiazzo-Mougin, who worked in oil fields in the Middle East before coming to Spain.
"We need another five to 10 years before industrial production can start," said Stroiazzo-Mougin, who hopes to be able to develop another such project on the Portuguese island of Madeira.
"In a unit that covers 50 square kilometres, which is not something enormous, in barren regions of southern Spain, we could produce about 1.25 million barrels per day," or almost as much as the daily export of oil from Iraq, he said.
BFS, a private company, hopes to negotiate "with several countries to obtain subsidies for the installation of artificial oil fields," he said.
 
The biggest problem with gas prices is the failure to act.

During our last oil crisis there were many things that were shoved to the side because "we wont see that for 5-10 years from now." Guess what, it has almost been 5 years since oil started to spike the first time and nothing has been done. Several energy sources have been skipped over due to politics. We can convert coal to gas cheaper than oil costs right now. Some scientists say it can be done for roughly $30/barrel with a chemical process that releases 0 emissions. The math says that is much cheaper than the $100+ we are paying right now. Bringing this new source of competition into the fray would cause a fairly quick drop in oil prices because of speculation.

People seriously just need to do something instead of complain and argue. Unfortunately the people that can make these changes wouldn't have a job if they didn't complain and argue all the time.

I think this example shows the necessity of term limits in congress. Too bad amendments need to get through congress first. I can guarantee the voting down of such an amendment would be the most non-partisan vote in congress history.
 
I tend not to label myself as anything. I try and avoid political parties and socialist/capitalist labels because I disagree with anything that I feel will hurt the nation as w whole.

So I guess that makes me an independent if you have to attach a label.
I agree, political labels mean nothing it's what's best for your nation!
 
I hear ya.

So far Cargo is going balls to the wall right now for us. Fly, min rest, fly, min rest............

Better so busy you can't keep up than nothing to do and furghloughed. Glad to hear stuff like this. Hopefully the company can keep pace with the rising fuel prices and pass it along to the customer in a timely manner.
 
Better so busy you can't keep up than nothing to do and furghloughed. Glad to hear stuff like this. Hopefully the company can keep pace with the rising fuel prices and pass it along to the customer in a timely manner.

Hell ya, I love flying my rear off. I hate hotel appreciation time, especially if it goes on for days. Most of us can handle the grind for 6 days and then catch on sleep on our 7th day 24 hour rest period... It really isn't that bad after about day 2 when you get on your schedule. Once you start flying like that you will either be on days or nights and your sleep routine gets set. Still 3-6am is the worst for me no matter what...
 
Hell ya, I love flying my rear off. I hate hotel appreciation time, especially if it goes on for days. Most of us can handle the grind for 6 days and then catch on sleep on our 7th day 24 hour rest period... It really isn't that bad after about day 2 when you get on your schedule. Once you start flying like that you will either be on days or nights and your sleep routine gets set. Still 3-6am is the worst for me no matter what...

I hear ya. Yesterday I got out of bed at 4am, had a 5am show time(duty start) with a 6:30 pax arrival. Pax didn't show till almost 7:30. Went to APA, waited for a few hours and headed back to the airplane to clean it up. We ended up departing with just enough duty time left to get back to base(Dutied off at about 18:50). With the early rise, and a long day, today was rough. Glad I didn't have another trip today for sure. Having a constant schedule like that must be hell.
 
I hear ya. Yesterday I got out of bed at 4am, had a 5am show time(duty start) with a 6:30 pax arrival. Pax didn't show till almost 7:30. Went to APA, waited for a few hours and headed back to the airplane to clean it up. We ended up departing with just enough duty time left to get back to base(Dutied off at about 18:50). With the early rise, and a long day, today was rough. Glad I didn't have another trip today for sure. Having a constant schedule like that must be hell.

It is actually easier if we get the scheduled runs. You know when to sleep, eat, shower, etc. It is the adhoc that can get grueling....Fly day 1 8 hours then be off for 20 and get called out again just as you are ready to hop into bed and start 20-30 hour int'l tirp...
 
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