Garmin auto land saves King Air

[Stone Cold]

I don't know what you mean by this? Because you have to get the stats on how often the system fails, etc.

What we know, right now is that 1/95 people get killed from car accidents in their life. That's a fact. What we don't know (and I think this is a problem, to be clear) is how often mechanical and software errors could have been saved by a person but resulted in an accident anyway in self-driving vehicles. That's kind of a hard number to reason about... but I'd be willing to bet that the 1/95 stat vastly over powers the likelihood of a human driver saving the day.

I’d bet I’ve saved myself and my family more than 15 times from the “autopilot”. I drive a 2021 Tesla model Y with full “self driving”. I don’t even engage it anymore. It can’t even hold a constant speed, and continually tries to cut off trucks, and other traffic, just goes into other lanes, or just “it’s yours, I’m done” the autopilot. Come on down to CVG and I’ll let you see for yourself.

 

[knot4u]

I've only owned three vehicles with cruise control and the only time I've ever used it was on long stretches of open highway, like driving up the Central Valley of CA or driving through west Texas. I've never used it on the freeway "in town", maybe the self driving would work for me in those situations? I don't know I've never tried it. But I've also never come close to falling asleep at the wheel because even when it's at it's dullest I'm still engaged driving the vehicle and I wouldn't trust it enough to allow myself to actually relax so what's the point? Driving is not hard work, roofing is hard work. They should build a competent auto-roofer.

 

[JordanD]

yeah dying locked in a flaming tesla seems unappealing, blindly trusting a car on autopilot will undoubtedly make you less involved in its operation and let your attention slip, increasing reaction time and eroding defensive driving

I’m not a Tesla fan at all, I bought my last car purely based on the fact it handles well and is fun to drive. I also usually expect any Tesla driver on the road to do something stupid and/or overly aggressive when I’m driving near them which usually ends up happening. What I was trying to convey though is I’d probably feel much safer in a Waymo on the same roads than I would in a regular Uber/Lyft. Too many bad experiences with crappy drivers.

 

[Wardogg]

As well they should. The Apex is absurd for what the airplane is outside of doing stuff in SoCal or on the east coast. I should not have to sit sucking gravel through the prop for 6 minutes because the Apex decided it wanted to go crazy Ivan.

Best PC12 cockpit layout was a /47 but pre-ng with 2 touch screen Garmin. It was super ergonomic, the controls didn't feel like wrestling with a horny hippo and at least for bushier stuff it was SUPER easy to change things on the fly. "Oh, I'm not flying that approach anymore, I'm cancelling, and flying down the river? A few convenient taps and off I go!" In the Apex I'm heads down in trying to navigate menus instead of flying.

The Apex isn’t terrible. It has some quirks and gotchas. Like being on an arrival and then plugging in the visual approach for the runway and inserting it into the flight plan, only to have it erase the rest of the arrival you’re supposed to be on. Ask me how I found that one out descending into Daytona via. Cursing ensued. In the 12s I only flew the NG. Now in the 24 supposedly it’s the same system as the NGX. Some added functionality but overall pretty much the same system. I will say there is a learning curve and it probably cost those people their lives off the coast of NC a few years back when that guy couldn’t figure out the box in IMC lost out over the ocean.

I’ll take it over anything with proline 4 that’s for sure. But I do like Garmin’s stuff.

 

[ppragman]

The Apex isn’t terrible.

Hard disagree - I mean, "it's fine." And if you're going from approach to approach arrival to arrival it ain't bad, but like, any mixed VFR/SVFR/IFR shenanigans and I would wildly like to have the better stack and think it is pretty terrible? I don't know, also, the boot up time is horrendous - we worked out some work arounds, but then you're fighting with cold weather battery life vs. sucking rocks the prop in winter. Not a fan.

What *is* cool was that way you could build orbits, circles, and all sorts of crazy arcs and stuff pretty conveniently? That was "neat" - but Garmin >> Apex.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

What I was trying to convey though is I’d probably feel much safer in a Waymo on the same roads than I would in a regular Uber/Lyft. Too many bad experiences with crappy drivers.

I had a Russian Uber driver that missed the exit on the interstate, pulled over to the shoulder, and tried to reverse down it to the exit before I advised him against doing so.

Making good decisions in life and having to drive for Uber/Lyft are generally two completely untouching circles in the old Venn diagram.

 

[Beep]

I had a Russian Uber driver that missed the exit on the interstate, pulled over to the shoulder, and tried to reverse down it to the exit before I advised him against doing so.

Making good decisions in life and having to drive for Uber/Lyft are generally two completely untouching circles in the old Venn diagram.

On the bright side, you may have helped him understand a concept he would have never thought of himself, reduced his stress levels in life a little bit, and protected the guy and other people in traffic in the future.
You may have really made a difference by being in the car when it happened as opposed to honking, flipping him off and hurling obscenities at him like you would if you weren’t in the car with him.