Garmin auto land saves King Air

bp said:
so if the system doesnt work unless you have 100% participation what are the real odds?
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I don't know what you mean by this? Because you have to get the stats on how often the system fails, etc.

What we know, right now is that 1/95 people get killed from car accidents in their life. That's a fact. What we don't know (and I think this is a problem, to be clear) is how often mechanical and software errors could have been saved by a person but resulted in an accident anyway in self-driving vehicles. That's kind of a hard number to reason about... but I'd be willing to bet that the 1/95 stat vastly over powers the likelihood of a human driver saving the day.
 
bp said:
there would be more fatalities if trains didnt have rails

i truly don’t care, you all want personal mini electric elon trains that have their own part-time job driving brainless meatsacks and their burritos around

enjoy giving up your self determination i guess
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Oh don’t get me wrong the robo taxi revolution is probably about the dumbest and most tech-bro-y solution to traffic deaths
 
Wardogg said:
Pilatus is switching to Garmin avionics.
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As well they should. The Apex is absurd for what the airplane is outside of doing stuff in SoCal or on the east coast. I should not have to sit sucking gravel through the prop for 6 minutes because the Apex decided it wanted to go crazy Ivan.

Best PC12 cockpit layout was a /47 but pre-ng with 2 touch screen Garmin. It was super ergonomic, the controls didn't feel like wrestling with a horny hippo and at least for bushier stuff it was SUPER easy to change things on the fly. "Oh, I'm not flying that approach anymore, I'm cancelling, and flying down the river? A few convenient taps and off I go!" In the Apex I'm heads down in trying to navigate menus instead of flying.
 
ppragman said:
I don't know what you mean by this? Because you have to get the stats on how often the system fails, etc.

What we know, right now is that 1/95 people get killed from car accidents in their life. That's a fact. What we don't know (and I think this is a problem, to be clear) is how often mechanical and software errors could have been saved by a person but resulted in an accident anyway in self-driving vehicles. That's kind of a hard number to reason about... but I'd be willing to bet that the 1/95 stat vastly over powers the likelihood of a human driver saving the day.
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the whole “eliminate traffic deaths” farce- like you said there are things that aren’t being measured. you’ll never get to 100% buy in from the public so at what point do we reach a “herd immunity” that creates a significant delta in traffic deaths
 
bp said:
the whole “eliminate traffic deaths” farce- like you said there are things that aren’t being measured. you’ll never get to 100% buy in from the public so at what point do we reach a “herd immunity” that creates a significant delta in traffic deaths
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I… don’t think you need that? I’m pretty certain the safety of self driving is already safer than apes on a one-for-one basis
 
bp said:
the whole “eliminate traffic deaths” farce- like you said there are things that aren’t being measured. you’ll never get to 100% buy in from the public so at what point do we reach a “herd immunity” that creates a significant delta in traffic deaths
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well, I don't think that's a farce? Like, hypothetically we could just watch the number go down. If the number 1/95 deaths per year are traffic deaths in 2025, and 5 years later after self-driving is more prevalent, then divided out by "mile per mile" we should be able to make some judgments on this?
 
The King Air, managed by Buffalo River Aviation, was being operated under Part 91 on a repositioning flight from Aspen, Colorado, with only the two pilots on board. According to Buffalo River Aviation, “Climbing through 23,000 feet msl, the aircraft experienced a rapid, uncommanded loss of pressurization. As per standard procedures, the two pilots immediately put on their oxygen masks. The aircraft, equipped with Garmin Aviation’s latest Emergency Descent Mode (EDM) and Autoland systems, automatically engaged exactly as designed when the cabin altitude exceeded the prescribed safe levels. The system selected a suitable airport per Garmin criteria (KBJC), navigated to it, and communicated automatically along the way.”

In a statement, Buffalo River Aviation CEO Chris Townsley added more context: “Due to the complexity of the specific situation, including instrument meteorological conditions, mountainous terrain, active icing conditions, unknown reasons for loss of pressure, and the binary (all-or-nothing) function of the Garmin emergency systems; the pilots, exercising conservative judgement under their emergency command authority (FAR 91.3), made the decision to leave the system engaged while monitoring its performance.”
 
ppragman said:
well, I don't think that's a farce? Like, hypothetically we could just watch the number go down. If the number 1/95 deaths per year are traffic deaths in 2025, and 5 years later after self-driving is more prevalent, then divided out by "mile per mile" we should be able to make some judgments on this?
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and we think this is going to happen in a nation with how many millions of firearms and people refusing the measles vaccine despite the obvious? otherwise we’re just doing a thought experiment
 
bp said:
am I the only one that doesnt really care about this? id much rather die by my own hand than be killed by two robots in a disagreement on conflict resolution
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I’m far more likely to be killed at the hands of some idiot doing something stupid, like the guy who pit maneuvered me on I-35 in Texas “trying to avoid debris in the road” while I was minding my own business in the right lane. Or the guy on the way to the airport now cruising in the far left lane who apparently doesn’t realize the next exit is a perfectly viable option in a city that’s a giant grid, so he essentially slammed on the brakes and swerved across 4 lanes with no turn signal to make his exit. I’ll still probably take the robot.
 
Fly_Unity said:
The King Air, managed by Buffalo River Aviation, was being operated under Part 91 on a repositioning flight from Aspen, Colorado, with only the two pilots on board. According to Buffalo River Aviation, “Climbing through 23,000 feet msl, the aircraft experienced a rapid, uncommanded loss of pressurization. As per standard procedures, the two pilots immediately put on their oxygen masks. The aircraft, equipped with Garmin Aviation’s latest Emergency Descent Mode (EDM) and Autoland systems, automatically engaged exactly as designed when the cabin altitude exceeded the prescribed safe levels. The system selected a suitable airport per Garmin criteria (KBJC), navigated to it, and communicated automatically along the way.”

In a statement, Buffalo River Aviation CEO Chris Townsley added more context: “Due to the complexity of the specific situation, including instrument meteorological conditions, mountainous terrain, active icing conditions, unknown reasons for loss of pressure, and the binary (all-or-nothing) function of the Garmin emergency systems; the pilots, exercising conservative judgement under their emergency command authority (FAR 91.3), made the decision to leave the system engaged while monitoring its performance.”
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I really don’t know how I feel about this.

Resignation to the situation at hand, thou art defined.

I say that as a pilot of an airplane that normally cruises at 45k and has an EDM system I trust to work in an explosive decompression situation.
 
bp said:
and we think this is going to happen in a nation with how many millions of firearms and people refusing the measles vaccine despite the obvious? otherwise we’re just doing a thought experiment
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You're like 2x more likely to die in a car than to die from a firearm? Ish? So what I expect will happen, is that the insurance companies and tech-broligarchy people will just use regulatory capture to slowly render manual vehicles illegal.
 
JordanD said:
I’m far more likely to be killed at the hands of some idiot doing something stupid, like the guy who pit maneuvered me on I-35 in Texas “trying to avoid debris in the road” while I was minding my own business in the right lane. Or the guy on the way to the airport now cruising in the far left lane who apparently doesn’t realize the next exit is a perfectly viable option in a city that’s a giant grid, so he essentially slammed on the brakes and swerved across 4 lanes with no turn signal to make his exit. I’ll still probably take the robot.
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how does you driving a tesla prevent someone else from crashing into you?
 
JordanD said:
You said “at your own hands.”
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yeah dying locked in a flaming tesla seems unappealing, blindly trusting a car on autopilot will undoubtedly make you less involved in its operation and let your attention slip, increasing reaction time and eroding defensive driving
 
bp said:
yeah dying locked in a flaming tesla seems unappealing, blindly trusting a car on autopilot will undoubtedly make you less involved in its operation and let your attention slip, increasing reaction time and eroding defensive driving
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Teslas catch fire 98% less often than ICE vehicles.
(per mile)
 
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