Future pilots may not be up to snuff, NTSB warned

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seaav8tor

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Pilot shortage........ not

WASHINGTON — There are signs that future airline pilots will be less experienced, less ethical and in short supply, a panel of experts told an aviation safety forum on Tuesday.

While there are more pilots than there are airline jobs today, the reverse is likely to be true as airlines recover from the economic recession and begin hiring again, experts on pilot hiring and screening told the National Transportation Safety Board. The coming shortage may likely fall heaviest on regional airlines, who generally employ less-experienced pilots at lower salaries, they said.

There are about 54,000 pilots working for major airlines, nearly 19,000 regional airline pilots and about 2,500 qualified pilots available for hire in the U.S. today, said aviation consultant Judy Tarver, a former pilot recruiter for American Airlines. She estimated that airlines will need to hire about 42,090 pilots over the next decade, due to retirements and anticipated industry growth.

Panel members said there are far fewer military pilots leaving for jobs with airlines. Fewer college students say they want careers in aviation because they see it as an economic dead end, and airlines are increasingly having to compete with corporations for pilots..................

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There are about 54,000 pilots working for major airlines, nearly 19,000 regional airline pilots and about 2,500 qualified pilots available for hire in the U.S. today, said aviation consultant Judy Tarver.
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Wow, is the pilot labor market really that small? 2,500 nationwide?

Maybe her definition of "qualified" is different than what I'm perceiving. In that context, I would think it means "legally qualified", meaning a commercial cert and a pulse. Maybe she means competitively qualified, as in 3000+ hours, 1000+ turbine multi PIC, etc?
 
Yeah i think there are a lot more unemployed pilots out there than that. I'm thinking shes referring to pilots with an ATP maybe?
 
in her testimony and the presentation from the UND professor on tuesday, they both estimated the need for 40,000+ pilots by 2025. He used the prjected growth numbers from the faa, and the historically low number of 2.7 percent for attrition over that time period. To put it in perspective, we at at around percent attrition in the industry right now he said. Hard to believe it though.........
 
What does AIRCON, ATA, RAA, UND, ERAU, Puppy mills, etc have in common?

It is in their best interest to create a perception there is a pilot shortage....... Over the years they have done a phenomanal job of it. Everyday another person swallows hook, line, and sinker.

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seaav8tor said:
It is in their best interest to create a perception there is a pilot shortage....... Over the years they have done a phenomanal job of it. Everyday another person swallows hook, line, and sinker.
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Yup, now it's been digested, crapped out, and has us hooked by the ass.
 
Future airline pilots will be less ethical? Wtf does that mean? We won't tip the van driver? Cheat on our weight & balance?
 
aloft said:
Future airline pilots will be less ethical? Wtf does that mean? We won't tip the van driver? Cheat on our weight & balance?
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Call the runway in sight when its not, just so you can get cleared for the visual before Southwest? i dunno man... its scaaaaary though!
 
aloft said:
Future airline pilots will be less ethical? Wtf does that mean? We won't tip the van driver? Cheat on our weight & balance?
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Regardless of what the CEO of Pinnacle and Roger Cohen keep spewing out, it is a fact the more money a career pays the higher level of diligence and attention to detail will be put forth by a worker. They keep trying to tell the public it doesn't matter if a pilot is paid 22k per year or 220k per year, on the job performance is the same.

Phillip Trenary (Pinnacle CEO) made himself a legend with the following.........


"I urge you please do not ever equate professionalism and competency with pay. . . ."

Does he have ANY idea how stupid that makes him sound? If that's the case the shareholders should expect him to put full effort into managing his responsibilities for, oh let's say, 30k per year...... and remember Phillip...."I urge you please do not ever equate professionalism and competence with pay. . . .
 
seaav8tor said:
Regardless of what the CEO of Pinnacle and Roger Cohen keep spewing out, it is a fact the more money a career pays the higher level of diligence and attention to detail will be put forth by a worker. They keep trying to tell the public it doesn't matter if a pilot is paid 22k per year or 220k per year, on the job performance is the same.
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You know, I keep hearing people say this, and, probably against my better judgment, I'm throwing up the BS flag. If my (or your) salary doubled tomorrow, we as pilots wouldn't be any more safe or pay any more attention to our aircraft while flying just because we suddenly felt that we were now being compensated enough to do so. You know that as well as I do.

Now, I will certainly agree that higher pay will, over time, attract more qualified applicants who are naturally geared this way, and that is worth investing in (an efficient hiring process works great too). At the same time though, I would argue that it is at least as important, if not a lot more so, for a company to create a comfortable work atmosphere that promotes, encourages, and rewards safety, attention to detail, self-reporting, etc. through its training and day to day operations. This company culture must be felt all the way from the top brass to the guy who empties the lav juice. That is what way to create an effective, safe company, not just pay.
 
I can't speak for an entire group, but I know multiple teenagers who are aspiring airline pilots who are getting their licenses as early as they can. As for me I solo'd on my 16th birthday, and am now working on my PPL/IR at the same time, and will hopefully recieve them both on my 17th birthday. So, the quality cannot be dropping that much if people are starting this early.
 
XcalibeR said:
You know, I keep hearing people say this, and, probably against my better judgment, I'm throwing up the BS flag. If my (or your) salary doubled tomorrow, we as pilots wouldn't be any more safe or pay any more attention to our aircraft while flying just because we suddenly felt that we were now being compensated enough to do so. You know that as well as I do.

Now, I will certainly agree that higher pay will, over time, attract more qualified applicants who are naturally geared this way, and that is worth investing in (an efficient hiring process works great too). At the same time though, I would argue that it is at least as important, if not a lot more so, for a company to create a comfortable work atmosphere that promotes, encourages, and rewards safety, attention to detail, self-reporting, etc. through its training and day to day operations. This company culture must be felt all the way from the top brass to the guy who empties the lav juice. That is what way to create an effective, safe company, not just pay.
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The question was asked at a recurrent Q&A why the FAs were required to sit airport standby and the pilots did not. The Mgmt answer was the FAs are paid less and as such do not take the job as seriously as the pilots. FAs have much less to loose financially for inattention or misstep due to a late sick call, no show, etc. They also have a formal "point" system to administer progressive discipline to sub-standard performers who have lost interest and it shows in job performance. If you were paid 1,000,000 per year to manage a Jiffy Lube I know for a fact you would perform at a substantially higher level than you would at 35,000. Money talks. You are very naive to think otherwise.

Renew you mind or live in a fantasy world you have created.

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Ayork62493 said:
I can't speak for an entire group, but I know multiple teenagers who are aspiring airline pilots who are getting their licenses as early as they can. As for me I solo'd on my 16th birthday, and am now working on my PPL/IR at the same time, and will hopefully recieve them both on my 17th birthday. So, the quality cannot be dropping that much if people are starting this early.
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It's still working; Thanks for the update.....................


AIRCON, ATA, RAA, UND, ERAU, Puppy mills, etc
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XcalibeR said:
You know, I keep hearing people say this, and, probably against my better judgment, I'm throwing up the BS flag. If my (or your) salary doubled tomorrow, we as pilots wouldn't be any more safe or pay any more attention to our aircraft while flying just because we suddenly felt that we were now being compensated enough to do so. You know that as well as I do.

Now, I will certainly agree that higher pay will, over time, attract more qualified applicants who are naturally geared this way, and that is worth investing in (an efficient hiring process works great too). At the same time though, I would argue that it is at least as important, if not a lot more so, for a company to create a comfortable work atmosphere that promotes, encourages, and rewards safety, attention to detail, self-reporting, etc. through its training and day to day operations. This company culture must be felt all the way from the top brass to the guy who empties the lav juice. That is what way to create an effective, safe company, not just pay.
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I disagree. I would take it as a huge token of generosity and good will from the company and would in turn pay the attitude back. It is hard to bend over backwards for your company when your bottom feeder salary is barely paying the bills and leaves no room to move forward
 
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