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wheelsup said:
I read somewhere mainline got a stick shaker a couple weeks ago on a base-final turn. Truth is the regionals actually have very smart and competent pilots.
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I didn't say anything about the pilots, now did I? I said something about the company's idiotic procedures. And mainline does not have idiotic procedures like climbing a jet at less than 200 knots.
 
wheelsup said:
Truth is the regionals actually have very smart and competent pilots.
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The "truth" is that all pilots are not equal in competence or skill, and above the line of minimum qualifications and demonstrated performance required for employment, there is a quality spread.

That's true regardless of where pilots are trained or employed.
 
Hacker15e said:
The "truth" is that all pilots are not equal in competence or skill, and above the line of minimum qualifications and demonstrated performance required for employment, there is a quality spread.

That's true regardless of where pilots are trained or employed.
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Yeah but, there's a point in the new type of flying that you're doing where it doesn't matter. Much past, "standard and competent" and you're starting to invent new measuring sticks in the part 121 world.

And that's GOOD. Your job is to be a cog in the machine, not Bob Hoover.
 
jtrain609 said:
Yeah but, there's a point in the new type of flying that you're doing where it doesn't matter. Much past, "standard and competent" and you're starting to invent new measuring sticks in the part 121 world.

And that's GOOD. Your job is to be a cog in the machine, not Bob Hoover.
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True, but wasn't my point -- I was more addressing the statement that "Truth is the regionals actually have very smart and competent pilots." My point was that, although that's true, there are also barely-capable-of-passing-the-checkride pilots and idiots flying at the regionals as well. Just as there are at the majors, and just as there are in the military, just as there are in corporate aviation, and everywhere else.

The only real difference between all of those places is what tasks are performed and where the bar is places for measuring that performance. Inside that bar, there are both idiots and virtuosos in the cockpit. Just because there aren't higher measuring sticks doesn't mean there are not variances.

It is a different question entirely as to the relative placement of those bars between sectors of the industry.

Regarding 121 flying, here's what Mr Gann says on the topic:
“All airline pilots are subject to the high cock-o-lorum of seniority, whether they like it or not. The system was established to banish favoritism and to provide some basis for assignment of bases, routes, flights, and pay. Its great fault, as in any seniority system, is the absolutely necessary premise that all men are equal in ability. The dullard and the genius must both live with the ostrich philosophy that no one man can fly as skillfully as another. No one, of course, maintains this to be a truth. But the seniority system must ever persist if only because it is a protection of the weak, who are everywhere in the greatest number”

- Ernest Gann, Fate Is The Hunter
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Hacker15e said:
True, but wasn't my point -- I was more addressing the statement that "Truth is the regionals actually have very smart and competent pilots." My point was that, although that's true, there are also barely-capable-of-passing-the-checkride pilots and idiots flying at the regionals as well. Just as there are at the majors, and just as there are in the military, just as there are in corporate aviation, and everywhere else.

The only real difference between all of those places is what tasks are performed and where the bar is places for measuring that performance. Inside that bar, there are both idiots and virtuosos in the cockpit. Just because there aren't higher measuring sticks doesn't mean there are not variances.

It is a different question entirely as to the relative placement of those bars between sectors of the industry.

Regarding 121 flying, here's what Mr Gann says on the topic:
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I'll be interested to hear your opinion after 6 months of line flying.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'll be interested to hear your opinion after 6 months of line flying.
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I think you missed his point entirely.

He hit the nail on squarly on the head. But then again, I only had a cumulative of 2.5 years of regional flying.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Holy crap. Seriously, people, it's a jet. Flying at under 200 knots without leading edge devices out would scare the crap out of me.

I think I'll just keep avoiding buying any tickets that aren't on mainline Delta. No offense to the regional guys, but if your companies are pushing these procedures, they can do it without me in the back.
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Can't say that I blame you one bit. I've personally seen people try to rationalize this garbage, and I just shake my head. The slowest climb profile I will EVER intentionally do in a 200 is 250/.70 in the climb. At cruise, no slower than .70 under ANY circumstance. The fact that we have people so damn stupid that they will do slower than this is baffling.
 
The last great Canadian built plane was the Twotter. Not sure about the -400.

Having never flown it, but watched this thread, I'm quite confident in saying it's not something I'd ever want to fly. (I'm formally Canadian).

I'll stick to the Brazillian and French jets. (Confidently putting the cart before that French horse)
 
Nark said:
The last great Canadian built plane was the Twotter. Not sure about the -400.

Having never flown it, but watched this thread, I'm quite confident in saying it's not something I'd ever want to fly. (I'm formally Canadian).

I'll stick to the Brazillian and French jets. (Confidently putting the cart before that French horse)
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Dude, buy American.
 
The next time a "Which is the better RJ a CRJ or ERJ?" question pops ups, please refer them back to this thread......The ERJ145 has no such climb issues. It may climb slow, but it will go to 370 no problem whatsoever......Yeah, maybe you're doing 300-500fpm from 350 to 370. No matter, it'll get there. ERJ wins ;-)
 
Baronman said:
The next time a "Which is the better RJ a CRJ or ERJ?" question pops ups, please refer them back to this thread......The ERJ145 has no such climb issues. It may climb slow, but it will go to 370 no problem whatsoever......Yeah, maybe you're doing 300-500fpm from 350 to 370. No matter, it'll get there. ERJ wins ;-)
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The -200 will do the same thing. You know, if you're not a tard.
 
Nark said:
The last great Canadian built plane was the Twotter. Not sure about the -400.

Having never flown it, but watched this thread, I'm quite confident in saying it's not something I'd ever want to fly. (I'm formally Canadian).

I'll stick to the Brazillian and French jets. (Confidently putting the cart before that French horse)
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The Swedes build some quality aircraft too!

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I'm just curious... Did people point out that these profiles were a bad idea to the safety department?
 
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