Frontier Fly-Over cxld by TSA

Timbuff10

Timbuff10

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So recently I had what looked to be an opportunity to ride in the jumpseat on one of Frontier's A319s as it was supposed to do a Fly-Over of the Colorado Rockies home opener along with 3 F-16s from the Colorado Air National Guard... Anyway, it turns out that even though the "powers that be" here at Frontier were fine with it and wanted me to go and get some good photos, I ended up not being allowed to go as the TSA decided that only two pilots would be allowed on the aircraft and no one else.

And now from what I hear, it looks like the Fly-Over never actually happened and only the 3 F-16s made it.

I guess the TSA figures it is safe to fly 3 single engine lawn darts over a crowd but a ME aircraft is a hazard?

Just thought I would share with you guys my thanks to the TSA for keeping our country safe!

Bunch of pricks!
 
Um, seems to me that the FAA not the TSA should have authority over that. Next thing ya know TSA will be telling us that CFIs can't fly with their students. They need to give instruction via radio. Or FE on 727 are non-essential personnel and need to be eliminated.
 
Yeah thats the thing that gets me, I thought the TSA was only in charge of screening pax.


It seems the TSA have alot more pull than we realize. It's only a matter of time before they come up with something called a PFR. Permanent Flight Restrictions. I forsee every city having the same problems they are having up in DC.
 
Even though the flight didn't take place, TSA has no right to stop you from flying that flight. The flight is most likely operating under part 91 and it is upto the PIC to make that decision. While i was with Delta, when pilots ferrry back a charter plane back to ATL or SLC, some employees had the opportunity to take a jump seat at the discretion of the pilot. Perhaps i might imagine FAA to be involved and i still don't see why they should also deny you access.
 
Chief pilot was the PIC, he was kind enough to invite me to go along but then we later found out that the initial waiver to allow the flight stated that only two pilots allowed on the aircraft and no one else.

Waiver had to go through the TSA. Flight ended up never happening though so I don't know what happened in the end. It's amazing what the TSA can do with all their power.
 
I imagine TSA threw their weight around when they heard it would overfly a "large public gathering....."
 
yeah, I think that's what it came down to. Still don't understand though as it is far more likely that one of their 4 F-16s are more likely to have an incident before an A319.

I would suspect that most of the TSA folks don't even know that a commercial plane can fly with only one engine working.
 
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Um, seems to me that the FAA not the TSA should have authority over that.

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In this day and age, if the TSA wants authority over something, it gets it. The TSA and department of homeland security are GWBs babys and if jurisdiction is questioned, they will always win out. At least as long as GWB is sitting in the White House. Sad but true.
 
Can Anyone else understand this? Makes sense to me. As far as the F16s are concerned, the TSA isnt concerened that they are going to have an incident over the stadium, they are worried about other things. Sorry, Hopefully youll get another shot.
 
Geez, so I'm waiting for the TSA to interrupt my steak dinner and say that my Henckels cutlery is a security risk.
 
If our fellow Jetcareerer was Named Muhammid Iccibar Cuzzah and was really wanting to get into the jumpseat for a flyover of a large public gathering would we understand?
 
Or Nichols or McVeigh?
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Or Richard Reid....So we know we cant tell much from peoples names or ethnicitys. Thats why I can understand TSAs reasons.
 
Yeah, but a large, southern-based airline flew a 767-300ER over a NASCAR race last month.
 
Couldn't help but get in on this, being a current employee of DHS/TSA.

The Transportation Security Administration goes above an beyond the screening of passengers. But this is all quickly fading.

As some of you may already know, the TSA is starting to crumble under it's own weight. This coming November all airports will have the option to return to civilian passanger and baggage screening. Look for a privatized security force in Miami Int'l, for they have already announced they are dumping TSA.

For the airports keeping TSA, it won't be long until they figure out the cost effectivness of getting rid of the TSA and going back to a civilian security sector. It's a matter of time before my salary gets cut in half or I get laid off and the TSA program get's canned. Just my 2 cents.

But I have other plans....to include aviation
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If any of you are going to be at KDTW let me know....
 
I'm the last person I'd ever thought who would defend the TSA, and nothing personal, but I think agree with not letting anyone other than necessary crea on a large jet which will be doing low passes over city and a stadium full of folks. I could probably be easily disabused of this position though.
 
Re: more TSA follies

I found out that the Fly-Over did happen, just an hour before scheduled so it looks as though no one actually saw it since there was no one at the game at that time.

I really don't get it.

The thing that puzzles me about the TSA not letting me on, is as far as background checks, I used to work for the TSA and had all the checks done.

The other thing that gets me is. According to my job description I am authorized to ride in the jumpseat. Amazing how they can prevent me from doing what my job requires.
 
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