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Well you are right... he doesn't need anyone else picking on him...

I don't argue the fact that an experienced teacher is invaluable. I myself got trained by the "Yoda" of Scuba Diving. I agree at some length on that point.

But for someone that works at DCA he hits off the mark so many times... I actually had an individual like that working for me once. Everything was always wrong, everyone was full of B.S., the world stinks, the job stinks and etcetera.... He will make for a "wonderful company" on a 4 day trip for some poor captain someday...

And as far as training goes... I also had to deal with students that got their ratings on the "outside" and I have seen a good sample of screw-ups. From instrument certified pilots that could not fly in IMC ( I'm talking basic straight and level flight here) to CFI's that could not explain in simple terms why an airplane flies.

But the comment that I find most interesting... I have been asking my friends that are finishing their initial training at the regionals... some of them tell me, and now savour this as it won't last long : - " I spent too much money at DCA and did too much work! My SIM partner went to "Ben and Jerry's" and spent half of what I did on his FBO!".

Then, and as I said it would not last long, I asked my old Instructors at the Academy that have been flying for the Regionals for over an year ( some of them upgrading to Captain on ERJs) and they tell me: - " I am glad I spent that money on DCA... I cannot tell you how many times I saved my certificates when I prevented the non-academy trained Captain from doing something dumb!" And for those that complained about NDB apporaches...One of those guys actually had to fly an NDB on the CRJ since the Captain did not know how...and other funny stories too numerous to post here.

Have fun, and I don't mind when you pick on me...









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same old story every time...yeah there are a tons of screw ups elsewhere, but thats industry wide my friend. There are a fair share of screw ups at DCA. Like the instructor that was lost not more than 5 iles from the airport, and thought a lake was the ocean. I could spit off enough screw ups here to choke a donky. And sir, the problem with OUR cookie cutter pilots is that the only guidline to operate under is our TCO. the only flying we prepare anyone for is that in our territory, or in IFR. I have had testimony from many a pilot that airline flying is much easier than the crap we do to get to that airline. As much as a hyperbole as it may be, how hard is it to crank on an outopilot, or for that matter to manipulate a craft of their size. Its not! And we train our students less towards a stardard in stick and rudder, and more for a base knowledge...which is mighty flawed for the money thats been fronted. I could but two semesters of aviation classes by a seasoned veteran of teaching for the same price of one groundschool by an FNG whose every other word is "breaking primacy" For those of you that dont know my standpoint and how I and my friend, or as you call it my alias...whatever, read up on info about DCA from an employee. As much as you may think its a lie, put it togather for yourself. I havent lied yet.

Remember when I said key was pulling out? NOOOO that couldnt happen! stop spreading half truths they said....what happened?

I work at DCA, and have trained at many other FBOs in a span of quite a few years. Thats my experience here UPS. Im a fun guy, and love to fly, and for that matter I think id have a great time with my captain, and id have a great time as a captain, but I refuse to sit idle and let my future co-workes and friends be shafted the way I and many others were.

I know you that attend here spent alot of money and you want to justify your debt somehow, and im making that really hard for ya. You will get where you're going too, just dont make everyone behind you do it the same way. Let them know what they are up against...don't sugar coat it

Anyone still up for the bet that the new aircraft are going to houston?

rumor says they have future plans to shut down sanford. a bit far fetched, but any thoughts?
 
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but I refuse to sit idle and let my future co-workes and friends be shafted the way I and many others were.

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So please tell us what positive steps you are taking to remedy this, besides complaining on an internet forum. Anybody can sit back and find fault with something, heck anything.

I'll take up your bet on the new aircraft. Last I heard from Maint. and people actually involved in the process, not other instructors, was that they were 172s, similar to our models except they are putting Garmin430's in them.

BTW, are you saying Key did pull out? Where did you get that bit of info? First I've heard of such things. Feel free to elaborate.
 
Yes, I did say I would take that bet... And yes, Houston is getting 172's and Arrow's for their SE trainers, all with Garmins. In fact, this school is still so far away from seeing a new fleet, I'll take that bet for the next calender year.

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I did ALL of my training somewhere other than DCA, it was great training and it made me a very competent pilot in my mind. However, that was a four-year program with lots of solo time. Solo time is really when you learn to fly, with nobody else to fix your screw-ups, you have no choice but to put that little plane down in an 18 knot crosswind, nobody to tell you "hey, looks like you're a few miles off course, better correct for that".

Now, when I came to DCA, I was extremely impressed with how thorough the education is here. What they have done is compress 4 years of flying and groundschool into approx. 10 months. When people speak of DCA pilots only being familiar with the Sanford area, I must ask the question "What do you expect them to do?". This is the case no matter where you learn to fly! The vast majority of instruction flights will never go far beyond the origination airport, whether it's in Florida or Ohio.

If people have a problem with DCA producing standardized (cookie-cutter) pilots, then they truly do not see the goal and mission of this Academy. It is AIRLINE ORIENTED FLIGHT TRAINING! How many airline flights operate on VFR flight plans....NONE!

There can be many issues brought up about what goes on at DCA, but I must say that from my experience here and elswhere, this academy is very good at what it does!

LUV...Where have you flown outside of FL?
 
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Well you are right... he doesn't need anyone else picking on him...

I don't argue the fact that an experienced teacher is invaluable. I myself got trained by the "Yoda" of Scuba Diving. I agree at some length on that point.

But for someone that works at DCA he hits off the mark so many times... I actually had an individual like that working for me once. Everything was always wrong, everyone was full of B.S., the world stinks, the job stinks and etcetera.... He will make for a "wonderful company" on a 4 day trip for some poor captain someday...

And as far as training goes... I also had to deal with students that got their ratings on the "outside" and I have seen a good sample of screw-ups. From instrument certified pilots that could not fly in IMC ( I'm talking basic straight and level flight here) to CFI's that could not explain in simple terms why an airplane flies.

But the comment that I find most interesting... I have been asking my friends that are finishing their initial training at the regionals... some of them tell me, and now savour this as it won't last long : - " I spent too much money at DCA and did too much work! My SIM partner went to "Ben and Jerry's" and spent half of what I did on his FBO!".

Then, and as I said it would not last long, I asked my old Instructors at the Academy that have been flying for the Regionals for over an year ( some of them upgrading to Captain on ERJs) and they tell me: - " I am glad I spent that money on DCA... I cannot tell you how many times I saved my certificates when I prevented the non-academy trained Captain from doing something dumb!" And for those that complained about NDB apporaches...One of those guys actually had to fly an NDB on the CRJ since the Captain did not know how...and other funny stories too numerous to post here.

Have fun, and I don't mind when you pick on me...

Fabio..............(Heavy Sigh).....................The Father, is glad to see your posting again...........................So tell me Don Fabio, you take care of the John "Anal" O'brien family for me yet?.................................(Heavy Sigh) That family has been muscling in on our operations, racketeering, deceptive advertising, prostitution, perjury, closing the old folks home, burning down the orphanages,extortion,bad management, poor customer service and making...........................yo mama jokes.................(Heavy Sigh)...............Don Fabio....................no body talks about my mama, capish? Don Fabio, I want you to take care of this little problem.

If you fail me again Don Fabio, I will be forced to have you endure the worst torture known to all mankind........................................(Heavy Sigh).............Naked Photos of certain morbidly obese women, and I'm not afraid to use them, you got that Don Fabio?"

(Hey, Fab, you said we can pick on you, and I know how much you despise the godfather jokes from a previous post.
Just havin fun, and if anyone takes this post serious, you got issues!
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same old story every time...yeah there are a tons of screw ups elsewhere, but thats industry wide my friend. There are a fair share of screw ups at DCA. Like the instructor that was lost not more than 5 iles from the airport, and thought a lake was the ocean. I could spit off enough screw ups here to choke a donky. And sir, the problem with OUR cookie cutter pilots is that the only guidline to operate under is our TCO. the only flying we prepare anyone for is that in our territory, or in IFR. I have had testimony from many a pilot that airline flying is much easier than the crap we do to get to that airline. As much as a hyperbole as it may be, how hard is it to crank on an outopilot, or for that matter to manipulate a craft of their size. Its not! And we train our students less towards a stardard in stick and rudder, and more for a base knowledge...which is mighty flawed for the money thats been fronted. I could but two semesters of aviation classes by a seasoned veteran of teaching for the same price of one groundschool by an FNG whose every other word is "breaking primacy" For those of you that dont know my standpoint and how I and my friend, or as you call it my alias...whatever, read up on info about DCA from an employee. As much as you may think its a lie, put it togather for yourself. I havent lied yet.

Remember when I said key was pulling out? NOOOO that couldnt happen! stop spreading half truths they said....what happened?

I work at DCA, and have trained at many other FBOs in a span of quite a few years. Thats my experience here UPS. Im a fun guy, and love to fly, and for that matter I think id have a great time with my captain, and id have a great time as a captain, but I refuse to sit idle and let my future co-workes and friends be shafted the way I and many others were.

I know you that attend here spent alot of money and you want to justify your debt somehow, and im making that really hard for ya. You will get where you're going too, just dont make everyone behind you do it the same way. Let them know what they are up against...don't sugar coat it

Anyone still up for the bet that the new aircraft are going to houston?

rumor says they have future plans to shut down sanford. a bit far fetched, but any thoughts?

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Some one do tell, oh please do tell!!

Hey Luv, I'm diggin your "Choke a donkey comment, tell me, is it squishy? Do you get all emotional from it ? And, finally, does it contain corn?
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To everyone else, No its' not what you think, but that never stopped you before, did it?
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and they tell me: - " I am glad I spent that money on DCA... I cannot tell you how many times I saved my certificates when I prevented the non-academy trained Captain from doing something dumb!"

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Ha ha. Now you are cracking me up. You are way too much. We knew you DCA guys can be arrogant but this just takes the cookie. Especially because you probably believe this sort of nonsense.

DCA : Delta Cult Academy
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You might not like it and you may get offended, but I've heard that stament not once but three times from 3 different instrctors that have been flying CRJ and ERJ for over a year now... so study hard!
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Easy Fab, I've seen plenty of DCA guys do some very stupid stuff also. (emphasis on "VERY"). Everyone isn't always perfect. Doesn't matter where they train, but it does matter if they paid attention or not. There is a reason why there are two pilots up front. We are up there to keep each other out of trouble and watch each other's back. Some people you have to watch more than others. You get to know who they are very quickly. And yes, some are from the Academy. It goes both ways.
 
"We are up there to keep each other out of trouble and watch each other's back."

Amen. And I see it as pretty classless to bring up the flight school one went to after the fact. I kept an ex-airforce pilot from busting an altitude in a 727 once. I'd hardly go around making comments about where he trained cause of that.
 
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