French Bee A350 ORLY

Boris Badenov said:
I will never understand the logic of having thrust levers that don't move in proportion to the uh, you know, thrust. I'm not an Airbus-hater and indeed after having spent some time operating Boeings, there are some problems in my mind with their control philosophy as well, but nothing on the order of the thrust changing but the levers staying right there, mired in concrete, whilst Robot Pepe La Pue gives you what he thinks you need.
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Took some getting used to, but consider it a FMA-centric airplane.

Those throttles moving in a Boeing is a wonderful promise, but sometimes unfulfilled. Especially on the mad dog.

It keeps you referencing the instrumentation to see if it’s doing what you expect it to do, rather than assuming the thrust lever position is an actual indication of where the power is.

I’m indifferent and both have pluses and minuses.
 
Space Monkey said:
Thanks, that's helpful.

BTW, if what you say is accurate, I'm reasonably certain that should anyone ever give me the keys to a scairbus, I would instantly become a TERRIBLE pilot. ;)

Aslo....



Hand flying should not just always be available, but should always be a pilot's DEFAULT mode (assuming the pilot is not debilitated).

Which brings me to your... and my second point.

It's not so very scary that the "pilots" didn't know how to use the automation to fix their problems. Lot's of pilots these days don't know that stuff. What's scary is that so many "pilots" default is to try to employ automation as their "savior" mode.

Automation is there to make the airplane go "ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa". The pilots are there to save the day when the airplane stops going "ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa" and starts to go "SQUEEK!" With all the automation we've got these days, that's really the ONLY reason the pilots are there anymore.
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In my experience, if someone sucks at the automation, they suck at hand-flying even worse :)


But overall I agree with you.
 
bLizZuE said:
That’s actually really dumb.
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Actually it’s not.

I should say, there is a required call at takeoff, 500 ft , to verify either LNAV or Heading select, and the PM verifies.

But verbatim FMA callouts for every single change? Nope.


Don’t miss it either. CRJ Roll Climb 151! LOL, okay. Airbus: MAN Fkex, SRS, Runway, Autothrust Blue. What a mouthful.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Actually it’s not.

I should say, there is a required call at takeoff, 500 ft , to verify either LNAV or Heading select, and the PM verifies.

But verbatim FMA callouts for every single change? Nope.


Don’t miss it either. CRJ Roll Climb 151! LOL, okay. Airbus: MAN Fkex, SRS, Runway, Autothrust Blue. What a mouthful.
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We are clearly different levels of professional aviators. (Kidding. Ish)

Whether or not it is SOP isn’t my gripe- if you aren’t paying attention to the FMAs you aren’t flying the jet.
 
The Emirates 777 crew at Dubai that I cited in the other thread about the firefighter who was killed, failure to crosscheck the FMA……as well as failure to basically fly the plane…..on a go around, was a big causal factor.
 
bLizZuE said:
We are clearly different levels of professional aviators. (Kidding. Ish)

Whether or not it is SOP isn’t my gripe- if you aren’t paying attention to the FMAs you aren’t flying the jet.
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No where did I say I don’t pay attention to FMAs. Of course we pay attention to them.

There just isn’t a requirement to verbatim call out everything. No where does that excuse not monitoring FMAs.
 
From the perspective of one whose piloting experience goes no further than a 152 at a crowded Philly area strip:

Flying the damn airplane first. Was jammed in to my head as an ABC. . . aviate.

I get go-arounds aren't easy, and this video looks like all kinds of a mess, certainly with multiple factors to blame, but. Dude. Fly.
 
Burrito said:
I get go-arounds aren't easy, and this video looks like all kinds of a mess, certainly with multiple factors to blame, but. Dude. Fly.
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Where have we as aviators gotten this idea that go arounds aren‘t easy? They’re only difficult if we as pilots make them difficult. How is it that they’re some cosmic flight evolution? Hell, doing touch and goes to closed traffic patterns aren’t difficult in these planes. They’re a bit of work, yes, but they certainly aren’t difficult or dangerous.
 
Derg said:
Took some getting used to, but consider it a FMA-centric airplane.

Those throttles moving in a Boeing is a wonderful promise, but sometimes unfulfilled. Especially on the mad dog.

It keeps you referencing the instrumentation to see if it’s doing what you expect it to do, rather than assuming the thrust lever position is an actual indication of where the power is.

I’m indifferent and both have pluses and minuses.
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Well, see, THAT's your harsh, right thar! The Mad Dog IS NOT a Boeing. It's just a brand acquisition - with all the greenshade-unanticipated off-balance-sheet issues that derive therefrom.

Pretend Boeing is Coyote. Pretend Mc-Douglas is Road Runner. Understand now? :)
 
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737 front office with no FMAs. The horror….one is forced to scan and cross check, and even actually fly the plane!. :biggrin:

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MikeD said:
737 front office with no FMAs. The horror….one is forced to scan and cross check, and even actually fly the plane!. :biggrin:

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Oh!!!! The Horror!!! The Horror! :biggrin:

BTW, how high are you in that picture? How fast? Are you turning? It's soo confusing... and inquiring minds want to know. (Methinks you might be trangressing da law, else OTG at a 3900ft airport.) You a SWA driver?? If yes, Kudos! Well played! ;)
 
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Burrito said:
From the perspective of one whose piloting experience goes no further than a 152 at a crowded Philly area strip:

Flying the damn airplane first. Was jammed in to my head as an ABC. . . aviate.

I get go-arounds aren't easy, and this video looks like all kinds of a mess, certainly with multiple factors to blame, but. Dude. Fly.
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Aviation ABC??

Aviate
Bloviate
Cog...?
Cogswell Cogs...?
Coochy...?
Cogn'abbit...?
Cogitenarrian...?
Cogitate...?
Cooperate to Graduate...??
Covfefe...???
 
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