Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
Not according to TCDS 3A12:
Near flap indicator Models 172F (electric flaps) through 17271034, excluding 17270050)
"Avoid slips with flaps extended."Does not say prohibited.
Foward Slip
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Not according to TCDS 3A12:
Does not say prohibited.
tgrayson
New Member
The text that the poster is reading is not contained in the operating limitations section of the POH.
Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
I did not think so but could not find an -F model POH in PDF format.
z987k
Well-Known Member
the OP is talking about a PA28
Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
"I know it is not allowed in a C-172 but how about a Warrior. I find nothing in the POH saying it is not allowed."
MidlifeFlyer
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There are a few early models where the "prohibited" language appears in the manual. I came across one a few years ago. It was old enough that I just had to read the manual (it wasn't very long, anyway) and I noticed it right away.
Where it appeared in the manual I don't recall. But I'm certain that it didn't appear in the operating limitations of the POH because the manual was old enough that it wasn't a POH to begin with
Exactly. I've said it in numerous posts before and here it is again: If it is not an item listed in section 2, limitations, of your POH then it is merely a recommendation. Even if it sais 'slips are prohibited', if it is in a section other than section 2 it is still just a recommendation. This applies to part 23 aircraft.
Blackhawk
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The TCDS is the letter of the law on the required placards and their wording (along with ADs such as with the C-150/152 series). The POH/PIM is probably not FAA approved and, if the airplane was produced prior to the 1990s it is probably not even updated. It is very common for pilots to say that the "O" in AROW is Operator's Manual when, in fact, there is also the "markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the certificating authority of the country of registry." If I am giving a flight review in an airplane built before 1970 I can just about be guaranteed that there are missing or incorrect placards.
:yeahthat: As for the ARROW comment, that is why I like to have students locate that information in the FARs. It is a good one to get them digging in that book IMO.
The Gardener
Terrafirma Phobic
Your not going to find anything about which placards are required in the FAR. They also never address the need for actually having a w/b sheet, it is just implied.
I just recently took delivery of a plane for our operation. I spent about 30 minutes with the manual, excel and some double sided tape and all the placards are sorted out.
Blackhawk
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TCDS and (in some cases), ADs will list required placards.