Forum Rules Suggestion


Tre Kronor
Let's Enumerate What "PG-13" means in this setting.... because apparently PG-13 to one moderator means something other than PG-13 to another moderator.

MPAA Definition:
A PG-13 rating is a sterner warning by the Rating Board to parents to determine whether their children under age 13 should view the motion picture, as some material might not be suited for them. A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.

So, if posting a video or link to somewhere off the site, since I haven't put any profanity on the site.... the user "be ware" should apply.... especially since some moderators choose to "remove" the physical image or video and provide a link stating if you're off the site you're at your own risk.

Forum Idea #1million
Let's take a look at the quote you quoted:

...More than one such expletive requires an R rating

while I'm not a mod, I absolutely agree with removing the link to the movie you posted.

First, the first 10 seconds of the video are nothing but profanity, and what comes afterwords, I have no idea.

Second, you even posted NSFW. If it's NSFW then it probably should stay out of JC. My $.02

All in all you have to ask yourself, "does it really matter?" and "does it really matter that a post of mine got deleted due to moderation?"

I wouldn't get too worked up over it personally.
Doug has said numerous times, if you have to preface your post with NSFW then it really shouldn't be here.

Plain and simple.

I guess the last 15 times I've said this, that it apparently wasn't clear.

If you have a question about something that was moderated, talk to me.

If you decide to disregard that and attempt to argue with the moderator, well, you may have had a valid point, but you've just rendered any point you had as moot.

Let's be adult here folks. If you can't be adult and respect the environment we have here, let me know and I'll gladly pay your registration fees at another aviation website.

Unless you are reading the moderator's personal inbox, there seems to be a disconnect here. I am not "arguing". I am merely asking for a clarification of the rules, since the MPAA rating PG-13 is used.

Since I'm suggesting something, I'm "disrespecting the environment"? Perhaps we need to drop the rating for the content of this site to G, to make it fully clear to retards like me what is and is not acceptable. It seems to me that if something is filtered out of the profanity filter, then you're right, it shouldn't be on anything LINKED at the site, or visible on the site.
A G-rated motion picture contains nothing in theme, language, nudity, sex, violence or other matters that, in the view of the Rating Board, would offend parents whose younger children view the motion picture. The G rating is not a “certificate of approval,” nor does it signify a “children’s” motion picture. Some snippets of language may go beyond polite conversation but they are common everyday expressions. No stronger words are present in G-rated motion pictures. Depictions of violence are minimal. No nudity, sex scenes or drug use are present in the motion picture.

A PG-rated motion picture should be investigated by parents before they let their younger children attend. The PG rating indicates, in the view of the Rating Board, that parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, and parents should make that decision.

The more mature themes in some PG-rated motion pictures may call for parental guidance. There may be some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity. But these elements are not deemed so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned beyond the suggestion of parental guidance. There is no drug use content in a PG-rated motion picture.

Now please don't just shoot this down as arguing. I am trying to make a clear and concise point here. I have conceded that my post was inappropriate, on the basis of the content rating I suggest the site should be. Perhaps even to PG-13. But, in order to truly make it a family-friendly, and professional site, perhaps "G" should be considered.
I probably should have been clearer when I posted that link, but I didn't have time to get into specifics right then.

The line that Doug wrote that I wanted you to see was: "If you have a question about something that was moderated, talk to me." I certainly wasn't intending to imply any disrespect on your part, so slow down just a tad on the righteous indignation. :)

Here's my personal take on your issue: There are multiple moderators that volunteer their time to try to keep Doug's virtual living room a nice place to hang. We all don't share the exact same viewpoints so you are going to see variations in how some things are handled. People are people. If you see a big discrepancy that you disagree with, the best thing to do is to take your concerns to Doug. He's the guy that waves the baton, he's the one we look to for direction, and he's the guy that pays to keep the lights on here. Doug can make the call and let us know, collectively or individually, if he would like some aspects of the moderation changed. I prefer to take direction from just one boss, not hundreds or even thousands.

So...there you go. :)
Ok, last post before I head back to vacation.

It's a game of baseball, get on the field and play.

We're not playing "lawyer ball" where we have to have an attorney to check and cross check every pitch, swing, hit and run. "PG-13" is a universally-understandable method of guiding what's appropriate for the website.

The reason why the lavatory exists is two-fold:

No one in his right mind can realistically and healthfully talk about aviation 24/7.

Second, the non-sequitur posts have to be moved somewhere instead out outright deleted like other aviation websites.

Now that topic is called "The Lavatory". It's where non-aviation posts go/are moved to, posts that have gone awry and I don't want showing up indexed in Google and attracting the wrong types of users ("Chemtrails!" attracted probably at least 50 whacko conspiracy theorists in a single day that weren't even pilots, just folks that get off the job at the lumber mill and listen to the Art Bell show) and if it's inappropriate, well, it's the Lavatory which occasionally gets flushed.

The video had a bunch of profanity, some guy stopping a cop because he was driving fast. Ok, I didn't have that much of a problem with it and thought it would quietly die anyway, but there was, in fact a problem with the heavy amount of profanity in the video and it was deleted.

PG-13? It's guidance. I'm not in the MPAA but most people can figure it out that "Well, he doesn't want me posting nudity, outright profanity, things that I probably wouldn't be too comfortable having on a computer screen in my office". It's not an exact science when you moderate a website.

Now if it had a deeply relevant message, sure. But the video wasn't really that important to have the discussion of "Ok, how much is TOO much profanity in a non-aviation video in the lavatory (privy to be flushed at any time!) according to the terms and conditions of the website."

From a webmaster's perspective, we want to keep it a light, fun but imformative environment. Personally, I believe in absolute freedom on the internet. Absolute. However, realistically speaking, there are things that can be posted on the forum which will get me on a "net nanny bad website" list. Basically, those services scan websites for key words, linked videos and linked graphics and compare them to their hastily-contrived filters to determine if your website has "appropriate content" or "inappropriate content" and it's a lot of work to get off those lists.

We can all have a lot of fun without having to drop the "F Bomb", the cleft of some girl's butt a user insists on having as an avatar or another "ZOMG! Teacher Screws Kid!!!11one" thread and keeping us off the inappropriate site/content list of the filters.

Don't get me wrong. Those filters are un American and the idea that a schoolmarm in a small town in Iowa is deciding what's appropriate for a 18-year old soldier to look at through AOL sitting in a foxhole in Afghanistan is fascist, but it is what it is and we need to stay off those lists.

Thanks for asking, but I'd really rather address that in a private message rather than a public trial.
If you guys want to move or delete this, then, by all means, go ahead... I just thought maybe it was worth bringing up in the Tech Support Section....

My bad