Forget 7E7's, CO is replacing 767's with ERJ's

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I can't believe so many of you guys fell for that!


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I'm confused,
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is this really a joke or truthful? Can someone give me a non-sarcastic answer? PLEASE!!

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I wasn't being sarcastic BoeingDrew. It's 5585km from New York to London. The maximum range on an ERJ-145 is 2445km to 3035km (depending on the model).

For the person who said that they should make a RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range: A RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range is an oxymoron.
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For the person who said that they should make a RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range: A RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range is an oxymoron.
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Not completely true. Ever seen an RJ set up as a corporate ride? I'd call that pretty comfortable....
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For the person who said that they should make a RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range: A RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range is an oxymoron.

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I've heard of business jets that have ranges of like 7000nm, so I think it could be possible for a RJ to be modified to fly across the Atlantic. The problem is that It would probably not be cost efficent.
 
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Anyone notice that this thread is heading in the direction of its place of origin..A.net..yeah you could strap JATO onto an RJ to make it climb to altitude faster and then put drop tanks on its so it could fly over the north pole to China...
 
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I wasn't being sarcastic BoeingDrew. It's 5585km from New York to London. The maximum range on an ERJ-145 is 2445km to 3035km (depending on the model).

For the person who said that they should make a RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range: A RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range is an oxymoron.

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I wasn't directing that sacrcastic remark at you or anyone else really, just so you know
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. But, what was that press release then, a fake or what?
 
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I always thought that if they could make a RJ that had transatlantic range, and be comftorable, It might actually be usefull. Imagine being able to fly from Hartford to Manchester nonstop!

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Yeah, it's called a Challenger 604 or Global Express... (both made by Bombardier, who makes the CRJ)... 4,000 NM or 6,500 NM range (respectively)... Except they cost $27 million or $45 million (respectively) vs. the RJ's $17 million (or so)...

If you want convienient, fast, secure, no hassle, comfortable, first class, point-to-point travel, Corporate is the only way to go...
 
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F'capt,

I don't know if the corporate world measures cost on a per seat mile basis...but do you happen to have a figure on, let's say, a per passenger basis for a round trip transatlantic crossing?

I don't disagree that corporate is the "least hassle" way to fly...but I'm curious as to the opportunity cost of that service.

Thx.
 
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Any one know the range on the Legacy (the ERJ's in corporate/shuttle config)?
 
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I don't know if the corporate world measures cost on a per seat mile basis...but do you happen to have a figure on, let's say, a per passenger basis for a round trip transatlantic crossing?

I don't disagree that corporate is the "least hassle" way to fly...but I'm curious as to the opportunity cost of that service.


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I'm sure F Capt will have some more realistic numbers but here are some for perspective. You are right, corporates don't figure cost per seat mile because density is what they want AWAY from. Personally, I think the airlines should forget about them too. VIPs pay A LOT more to stay away from an airliner. I don't know how many trans-cons I have flown with just 1 passenger. Heck, sometimes they use a G-V to send their dog to a spa (alone). Go figure.

Here are some hourly charter rates:
GIVSP $5200-$5700
GV $7000
Falcon 2000 $4200
Falcon 900EX $5900
CL604 $4300-$4700

Our load factors fleet wide is in the 40-50% range. Leaving with seats full is no more or less beneficial in the fractional world. Some corporations will only fly the corp jet if they can send x-number of people. If they only have 1-2 pax they may use airlines instead.
 
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I read that and thought "No Friggin way... that has to be a REALLY good airplane",

But after interning with CoEx and not hearing anything about a ERJ145XXR, I figured it had to be fake. The XR will take you pretty far... but not that far. Besides Continental is not stupid enough to replace a 777 with a ER-145, otherwise there would be no use for ExpressJet.

At anyrate, pretty funny what some one can come up with and what others will believe.
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Any one know the range on the Legacy (the ERJ's in corporate/shuttle config)?

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I believe it is being advertised as 3,100 NM at Mach .77
 
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F'capt,

I don't know if the corporate world measures cost on a per seat mile basis...but do you happen to have a figure on, let's say, a per passenger basis for a round trip transatlantic crossing?

I don't disagree that corporate is the "least hassle" way to fly...but I'm curious as to the opportunity cost of that service.

Thx.

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We don't measure cost in that way... It is far more expensive than riding the airlines, that I can assure you. Companies don't have aircraft to save money, they have them for the speed, convienience, security, service, privacy and comfort.
 
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For the person who said that they should make a RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range: A RJ that is comfortable and has transatlantic range is an oxymoron.
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Not completely true. Ever seen an RJ set up as a corporate ride? I'd call that pretty comfortable....
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Oh yeah, I agree, but thats not what we were talking about. It would be great to fly to London on some RJ sized luxury private jet with about 5 other people on board, but to fly on an ERJ-145 with 50 people aboard for 8 hours (even if it were possible, which its not) would suck rocks!
 
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