For you 121 pilots that have had an emergency.

thehobbit

thehobbit

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For you 121 pilots that have had an emergency, you've had to fill out an incident report because of declaring an emergency. When applying to other airlines do you mark yes that you've had an incident on the questionaire?
 
thehobbit said:
For you 121 pilots that have had an emergency, you've had to fill out an incident report because of declaring an emergency. When applying to other airlines do you mark yes that you've had an incident on the questionaire?
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1. I did an ASAP report but that's about it.
2. "Accidents" and "Incidents" have a very particular definition by the FAA. Did your emergency result in an FAA-defined accident or incident?
 
derg said:
1. I did an ASAP report but that's about it.
2. "Accidents" and "Incidents" have a very particular definition by the FAA. Did your emergency result in an FAA-defined accident or incident?
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It didn’t result in an accident or what is listed as a serious incident. The faa 830 definition looks like it would mean every emergency sounds like an incident to me. Nothing on my prd so I've chosen to say no on the applications going forward. I said yes on some of them, it ended in a tbnt.

"Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety of operations."
 
thehobbit said:
For you 121 pilots that have had an emergency, you've had to fill out an incident report because of declaring an emergency. When applying to other airlines do you mark yes that you've had an incident on the questionaire?
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Not every emergency I declare requires a report. Even if the report is titled "incident report" that doesn't mean it's an incident as defined by the NTSB.
 
Haha....classic airlines making things harder than they need to be. My last real emergency (0ther than fuel) was a couple summers ago when I shat an engine. No paperwork at all, just took a trap and got out. They did want me to tell the story at the next all instructor meeting, where I promptly forgot which engine failed (I said the easy one, it was actually the worse one where you lose normal brakes, anti-skid, normal gear extension, etc). My EWO tightened me up though. It was after a long weekend on a no-fly day though, maybe I was hungover. The noob/students eyes got wide. I told them it was about the 30th time id lost an engine in an F/A-18. Granted 29 of those were in a legacy hornet, and were mostly precautionary in nature. This one actually just shut itself down #thanksFADEC. Turns out the thing flies almost the same on one engine, if you have any awareness of the existence of rudder pedals :)
 
///AMG said:
Haha....classic airlines making things harder than they need to be.
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The last one I had, the debriefing (a process in which a telephonic cross-divisional cluster is assembled and questions are asked in rapid fire) was more annoying than the event itself, which merely involved an emergency descent in an empty airplane.
 
Richman said:
I nearly had an “incident” after the beans and rice at the employee cafeteria in MIA, but that was thankfully avoided.
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I had some Legal Seafood clam chowder “hit wrong” on approach into DTW years ago.

That was the closest I’ve been to sh—ing myself since the diaper years.

Thank goodness the rampers were in position because, if they weren’t, welp, we’re going to set the parking brake right here on U9 and go see a man about buying a horse.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
"There I was—"
"—WE!—"
"Sorry, there WE were..."
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Funniest all time thread on the internet, and I will die on that hill, was the “I s4at in my flight bag” thread on the old Flight Info forum.

That’s where I learned what “I had to punch a grumpy” meant.

Almost 25 years later, still makes me chuckle. We have some real commodeians in our midst.
 
Richman said:
Funniest all time thread on the internet, and I will die on that hill, was the “I s4at in my flight bag” thread on the old Flight Info forum.

That’s where I learned what “I had to punch a grumpy” meant.

Almost 25 years later, still makes me chuckle. We have some real commodeians in our midst.
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+2 bonus points for “commodeians”.
 
thehobbit said:
For you 121 pilots that have had an emergency, you've had to fill out an incident report because of declaring an emergency. When applying to other airlines do you mark yes that you've had an incident on the questionaire?
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There's a distinction between the definitions that will give you clarity and understand the spirit of the request. A company, NTSB 830 and in the vernacular sense are three different definitions.

Say you're flying 121/135 and declare an emergency because of bingo fuel after holding. That'll probably require paperwork within the company but not NTSB 830 worthy of reporting.

However, a passenger slips and falls suffering some form of fracture during boarding -> fracture is a serious injury by NTSB 830 and thus requires reporting, but didn't require the crew to declare an emergency.

The reason the potential employer asks this question is often three fold: They have an acceptable timeline of what is considered too recent of an event (inside of 6 months, a year from date of application, etc). The second reason is any certificate action related to the event. "During my solo cross country as a student I declared an emergency, landed off airport due to fuel exhaustion and received a 709 ride as a result." Which will bring you to the third reason: "What did you learn from that?" It is a chance to have a TMAAT discussion.

Clear as mud?
 
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