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NJA_Capt said:
The two highest-paid bus drivers got $94,143 and $91,219 in 2003
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Be carful... you are doing what people do to this industry all the time. How many times do you hear about the delta pilots making $250,000 a year. Sure, there may have been, but there were only a few of them. What is the AVERAGE and starting salary for bus drivers?
 
BobDDuck said:
Be carful... you are doing what people do to this industry all the time. How many times do you hear about the delta pilots making $250,000 a year. Sure, there may have been, but there were only a few of them. What is the AVERAGE and starting salary for bus drivers?
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Twin Cities Metro Transit pays $15.49 (Start Rate) to $22.13 (Top Rate)/hour. Full-time at starting rate would be over $32k/year, plus OT, and, unlike pilots, they don't just get paid for flight time.

Qualifications: 1. HS diploma or equivalent; 2. Active licensed driver for at least the last two years; 3. Must be able to read, write, speak, understand and communicate English clearly; and 4. a valid CDL-endorsed driver's license.

MF
 
this is gonna get bashed on, but...so what, take a little pride in what you do.....would you rather say your an airline pilot or a bus driver?? Who cares what the requiremtns are.....not to mention i think you have a better chance of making more down the road than a bus driver......it may be a long, dark tunnel, but there is alittle light at the end....so deal with it, or goto bus driver school....losers
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NJA_Capt said:
Devil's advocate...again.
They also do not have to pay for their education beyond high school and starting pay is more than the regionals are paying for "responsible" pilots. Now what is wrong with this picture??!! They are also home every night and seldom leave town.

Pilots will sell their soul to fly a jet for $20K, but bus drivers command higher starting pay.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05002/435968.stm
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
In a recent interview about administrative salaries and union wages…The two highest-paid bus drivers got $94,143 and $91,219 in 2003, but those wages reflect a drop since 2001, when the two top drivers grossed $103,318 and $95,552, respectively.
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ill tell ya whats wrong with the picture......one person drives at approximatley sea level, at 60 mph, and the other flies Flight level 390, going mach .82

FYI- flying can be a bit more dangerous, just in case you havent figured it out.....
 
supercell86 said:
FYI- flying can be a bit more dangerous, just in case you havent figured it out.....
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I dunno.......I wouldnt be surprised if there were more bus accidents than airline accidents
 
YES!!There ARE MANY more bus accidents than plane accidents......but its about kinetic energy here, think science people......you do run a better risk of getting into a bus accident than a plane accident....but a bus accidnet almost everyone survives, ushually, in a plane......you have a bunch of crispy kritters, end of story....
 
supercell86 said:
ill tell ya whats wrong with the picture......one person drives at approximatley sea level, at 60 mph, and the other flies Flight level 390, going mach .82
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Hmph... not all of us can go to 390 and .82. But I get your point.:) If I get to see .77 I feel lucky.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Devil's advocate...again.
They also do not have to pay for their education beyond high school and starting pay is more than the regionals are paying for "responsible" pilots. Now what is wrong with this picture??!! They are also home every night and seldom leave town.

Pilots will sell their soul to fly a jet for $20K, but bus drivers command higher starting pay.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05002/435968.stm
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
In a recent interview about administrative salaries and union wages…The two highest-paid bus drivers got $94,143 and $91,219 in 2003, but those wages reflect a drop since 2001, when the two top drivers grossed $103,318 and $95,552, respectively.
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Bus drivers usually have to pay to get trained just as most truck drivers have to pay to get trained. My friend just started driving trucks a few months ago and he makes about $800 bucks a week starting out.
 
supercell86 said:
ill tell ya whats wrong with the picture......one person drives at approximatley sea level, at 60 mph, and the other flies Flight level 390, going mach .82

FYI- flying can be a bit more dangerous, just in case you havent figured it out.....
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Yea...I think I figured it out. I got my ppl the year you were born and CLIMB through FL390 at .82 (on the way to .92)...but that's not important right now.

My point was that for all the danger (your word) involved, pilots jump at the chance to fly a jet for WAY too little money.
 
After all this time...I've figured out the most valuable part of my compensation package...my time off. It's very difficult to compare airline pilot pay to that of most anything else...especially a bus driver. Those bus drivers who made $90K probably worked alot. A friend of mine is a UAW factory worker...he made $92K last year. But he worked 6 to 7 days per week...went in at 3:30 am and got off at 3:30pm.

As a reserve 767 F/O, I will make $115k this year...I've flown twelve days in two months. What value do I place on so much time off? A lot. In twelve years of professional flying...there's not too many times I've gotten burnt out. Anyway...for me...the time off is valuable...and I suspect the flexibility in scheduling is a reason the job is so attractive to so many.

Having said that...NJACapt is correct...some payscales are waaaay too low. Clearly...too low to make up for the time off and a second job would probably be required.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Yea...I think I figured it out. I got my ppl the year you were born and CLIMB through FL390 at .82 (on the way to .92)...but that's not important right now.

My point was that for all the danger (your word) involved, pilots jump at the chance to fly a jet for WAY too little money.
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Well theres not much anyone can do about it right now.....the industry is not going to drastically change, and its not going to stop people from despreatly wanting to become pilots......and its not gonna boost up the bus driver industry any time soon......i realize your point, but do u realize mine? Thats the very reason why pilots jump, your word, at the chances to fly a jet.....duh, and i apologise for being so young and nieve.....my brain is obviously not fully developed.....
 
slowandlow said:
I'm seriously thinking about not going forward. Not sure if it is all worth it
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WHere is KSLI? the safest move would be to do what that bird is doing in your avatar. ATC would be a solid career.
 
supercell86 said:
Well theres not much anyone can do about it right now.....the industry is not going to drastically change, and its not going to stop people from despreatly wanting to become pilots......and its not gonna boost up the bus driver industry any time soon......i realize your point, but do u realize mine? Thats the very reason why pilots jump, your word, at the chances to fly a jet.....duh, and i apologise for being so young and nieve.....my brain is obviously not fully developed.....
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With thinking like that the industry will never change. tsk tsk tsk
 
with crazy fuel prices....and airline competition and other fun factors the industry will never change.......maybe one day, right??
 
Time off is everything.

If I didn't have the ability to non-rev to Europe with Kristie on days off, I'd go drive buses here in Phoenix.

Seriously!
 
Doug Taylor said:
Time off is everything.

If I didn't have the ability to non-rev to Europe with Kristie on days off, I'd go drive buses here in Phoenix.

Seriously!
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Yeah, it seems that your QOL in addition to pay and benefits actually would be the "whole" picture. I was a supervisor in a Tier I automotive plant when I was 20 years old. I was making $80,000 a year but, as was stated earlier, I was working 14 hour days 6-7 days a week. Even with all that money I had no time to spend it. And, because I was working so much I would just throw away a lot of money because I was tired and didn't want any hassle. So, now that I have taken a pay cut by moving to a new job I also have about 30-40 more hours a week of free time. It all balances out! :nana2::nana2::nana2:
 
NJA_Capt said:
Yea...I think I figured it out. I got my ppl the year you were born and CLIMB through FL390 at .82 (on the way to .92)...but that's not important right now.
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But do you know where the pressure circuit breaker is?:p
 
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