flying with a rude copilot

Derg said:
Sometimes people aren't "self aware" enough.

Those experiences are all at your current shop? If so, might want to pick up a lead testing kit at Home Depot and get a sample of the water fountain!
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That's what I was thinking. We had one guy belittle and yell at one of our first officers so bad she cried going out to the employee parking lot. Same thing went on for two legs. Sometimes you gotta cut things short if it's bad. That's what reserves are for. I consider myself to be a good FO but I'll make mistakes like any human. I ultimately don't come to work to be yelled at and belittled. On another note there's just the grumpy guys at every shop that when you see him on your schedule you just gotta prepare for it.
 
Maybe its cause Im still fairly new but I have a policy of mouth shut and ears open until I can work out who is who.
 
Every pilot at our shop it top notch. The standard is pretty solid across the board as well. My last charter gig, I wanted to shoot myself each and every day I flew with the guy (two pilot operation). I became the slam clicker and did it for a year and some change. He was a true "Gods gift to aviation."

Derek
 
Last airline, had one guy who yelled at the flight attendant (a very nice, older lady) for...taking his rollerboard out of the luggage bin for him.

Only one yeller so far at this airline. Granted it was my mistake (At old airline, we checked the beacon during walkaround. At new airline, we don't) but way out of proportion. Today I was taxiing out and heard his flight getting an hour delay for flow. Karma.
 
Vyse said:
Last airline, had one guy who yelled at the flight attendant (a very nice, older lady) for...taking his rollerboard out of the luggage bin for him.

Only one yeller so far at this airline. Granted it was my mistake (At old airline, we checked the beacon during walkaround. At new airline, we don't) but way out of proportion. Today I was taxiing out and heard his flight getting an hour delay for flow. Karma.
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I don't get the yelling type. Life is too short to let anyone get you that spooled up over stupid stuff. That's the best part about being a captain. Nothing moves until El Capitan is happy. There's no reason to get upset, and if you do lose your cool, you're losing the argument and subsequent carpet dance already.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I don't get the yelling type. Life is too short to let anyone get you that spooled up over stupid stuff. That's the best part about being a captain. Nothing moves until El Capitan is happy. There's no reason to get upset, and if you do lose your cool, you're losing the argument and subsequent carpet dance already.
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Exactly. Yelling just means you don't have control over your emotions. I mean, sometimes there's a damn good reason for it, but if you can't keep your emotions in check on a normal day it's probably time to get some help.

I know for me, if someone yells or loses their temper, helping them just went to last place on my "things I'm going to do today" list.

I used to hear that on ops at my old job all the time. Operationally it was a mess on even the best days. You'd get some 5th striper yelling "we are 5 prior to push, we have no fuel, no catering, what kid of operation are you running!?!?" What motivation does that give the poor overwhelmed guy on the other side of the mic to help?
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Exactly. Yelling just means you don't have control over your emotions. I mean, sometimes there's a damn good reason for it, but if you can't keep your emotions in check on a normal day it's probably time to get some help.

I know for me, if someone yells or loses their temper, helping them just went to last place on my "things I'm going to do today" list.

I used to hear that on ops at my old job all the time. Operationally it was a mess on even the best days. You'd get some 5th striper yelling "we are 5 prior to push, we have no fuel, no catering, what kid of operation are you running!?!?" What motivation does that give the poor overwhelmed guy on the other side of the mic to help?
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"The kind of operation that is going to be late."
 
Thankfully, I've only had one or two captains in my career who I'd designate as tools. I've found that the most effective way to deal with them is to excuse myself from the trip. Both times, I started to pack my stuff up, and informed them I would be calling CS to get them a new FO, then I would be stopping by the CP's office to let them know why I was removing myself. Worked wonders both times.

I've seen newer FOs put up with and get verbally abused by these jackalopes and say or do nothing about it. Maybe it's because I came to this career later in life, after a military stint, and a few years as a repo man, but respect is earned, not automatically given. I'm comfortable being the burr under the saddle.
 
Vyse said:
Last airline, had one guy who yelled at the flight attendant (a very nice, older lady) for...taking his rollerboard out of the luggage bin for him.

Only one yeller so far at this airline. Granted it was my mistake (At old airline, we checked the beacon during walkaround. At new airline, we don't) but way out of proportion. Today I was taxiing out and heard his flight getting an hour delay for flow. Karma.
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Hmm, you prior S5? You talking a bout the germaphobe who would carry his bags through the terminal instead of rolling them and would lose it when someone dared put their grubby hands on his luggage?
 
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