Flying VFR in IMC conditions

jynxyjoe said:
These guys really need a Bud Light commercial in honor of their achievements.

By the way, if any one reading this was pulling this stunt over the Panhandle of Florida, just west of TLH, today around 1:35ish east coast time at 7,500 ft I have a few words from me and everyone else on the plane: kill yourself. I hope the FAA finds whoever was up there today and pistol whips them.

Thank you ALPA and everyone else responsible for making TCAS required. It saved some lives today.

To anyone that does this, the subject of todays thread; just because you fly at a VFR altitude doesn't mean someone isn't going to climb up into you. Also that x-ponder you've refused to replace transmits like crap, picked you up 2 or so miles away about 1k above me. EDIT: just to be clear I was climbing into you at better than 1000ft/min.

Anyway, thank you VFR flyboy who refuses to stay the required distance from clouds, you put the dumb in dumbass.
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It wasn't your day for the Grim Reaper to come calling for you today, or him for that matter.

Even being as careful as we try to be, there's so much outside our control.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Anyway, thank you VFR flyboy who refuses to stay the required distance from clouds, you put the dumb in dumbass.
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Idiots. I am glad everything turned out ok.

I have witnessed that sort of thing once. While cruising above a mostly solid layer I watched VFR traffic below me clearly go in and out of the cloud deck for a good 10 miles. I wanted to cancel, follow them, and beat them with a tow bar at their destination.
 
Acadia said:
Idiots. I am glad everything turned out ok.

I have witnessed that sort of thing once. While cruising above a mostly solid layer I watched VFR traffic below me clearly go in and out of the cloud deck for a good 10 miles. I wanted to cancel, follow them, and beat them with a tow bar at their destination.
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:yup:

Whoo HOO!

Tie them down, everyone at the airport gets a chance to beat him/her with pillowcases full of soap.

"OWWW! OWWW! OWWW!"
 
jynxyjoe said:
Tie them down, everyone at the airport gets a chance to beat him/her with pillowcases full of soap.

"OWWW! OWWW! OWWW!"
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Why cant that be an FAR? Mandatory soap filled pillowcase beatings by your peers for any aviation stupidity that could potentially get other people hurt or killed.
 
Acadia said:
Why cant that be an FAR? Mandatory soap filled pillowcase beatings by your peers for any aviation stupidity that could potentially get other people hurt or killed.
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Heh. I think it would reinforce simple ideas like "we don't need more laws, just enforce the ones we have"!
 
GlenA said:
I was flying inside a solid layer once and ATC was calling out traffic to us as less than a mile same altitude, type unknown. We reported that we were in solid IMC and could in no way see this aircraft. It is definitely one of the most butt-puckering experiences I've had.
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Exact same thing with me. Type unknown, not talking to them, most likely VFR. Definitely a creepy feeling!
 
I was cruising along in IMC one day when all of a sudden my brain said "look outside". As I looked up I saw a silhouette of a plane turn into a Grumman Albatross with a Coast Guard paint scheme cross no more than twenty feet directly over me. It was an erie feeling, almost like seeing a ghost ship.

Alex.
 
Unfortunately, unless you can see a tail number, or the fsdo airman is right next you in formation, that person will never be found guilty of violation...
 
n6149s said:
Unfortunately, unless you can see a tail number, or the fsdo airman is right next you in formation, that person will never be found guilty of violation...
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"I don't know what that guy was talking about, I was in VMC the whole trip." I was about 600' below the overcast layer...etc.

IMC and VMC are highly subjective terms.
 
ppragman said:
"I don't know what that guy was talking about, I was in VMC the whole trip." I was about 600' below the overcast layer...etc.

IMC and VMC are highly subjective terms.
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Not from my seat it wasn't. IMC with 200' or less feet to go before impact enveloped in IMC.

Sorry man.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Not from my seat it wasn't. IMC with 200' or less feet to go before impact enveloped in IMC.

Sorry man.
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No I agree its messed up, and put you in jeopardy, that being said, even if you knew the tail number, and knew the guys first name you probably couldn't get him. You'd have to have a personal blanket party.
 
ppragman said:
No I agree its messed up, and put you in jeopardy, that being said, even if you knew the tail number, and knew the guys first name you probably couldn't get him. You'd have to have a personal blanket party.
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Perhaps. I'd think if we just pulled the tapes it'd be pretty damning.

Though I'll go in on the blanket party.
 
I know ATC probably doesn't have the time to do it, but in that situation, couldn't they follow his radar "blip" until he heads to his destination.. if it's a towered field call the tower and ask them to have him give them a call?
Or if it's an untowered field, call the airport manager and say "there's an aircraft 2 miles out, looks like he's landing.. please track him down and have him call us" ??
Or is that just a waste of time for them...
 
jynxyjoe said:
Yeah, they were picking that guy up before my TCAS. It's not uncommon for that to happen, but the proximity about screwed us. He was top hopping or just flat out IMC.
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Yeah that sucks. And there you are climbing up toward him...briliant individuals out there. At least it worked out for you but I can understand your frustration.
 
Slot Pilot said:
I know ATC probably doesn't have the time to do it, but in that situation, couldn't they follow his radar "blip" until he heads to his destination.. if it's a towered field call the tower and ask them to have him give them a call?
Or if it's an untowered field, call the airport manager and say "there's an aircraft 2 miles out, looks like he's landing.. please track him down and have him call us" ??
Or is that just a waste of time for them...
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ATC does that. More than once I've been in SFO airspace when a controller asked me to identify an aircraft but I was too far away to tell make/model, and then asked a recently departed jet to identify. After receiving notice it was a Bonanza, they said "Ok thanks, we'll be following him to his destination for another Bravo violation."
 
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