'Flying Cheap' PBS Documentary on Regional Airlines

SuperCubRick said:
LMAO - yea I know what you mean, damn - the general public and aviation, what a terrible mix. :laff:
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It's just not their gig. I heard somebody complaining the other day about how attorney's *only* make like $60,000 out of school, and with $100,000 in debt! How are they supposed to live!?

Nobody believes I made $19,000 as an RJ pilot, and in fact I think the number is so low that people brush it off as impossible.
 
jtrain609 said:
Nobody believes I made $19,000 as an RJ pilot, and in fact I think the number is so low that people brush it off as impossible.
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WOW. Just wow.

I was making $22,600/yr as a Cessna 207 initial-hire 135 cargo pilot in PHX in 1995.

And before that, was making $19,500 as a starting traffic watch pilot in 1993.
 
MikeD said:
WOW. Just wow.

I was making $22,600/yr as a Cessna 207 initial-hire 135 cargo pilot in PHX in 1995.

And before that, was making $19,500 as a starting traffic watch pilot in 1993.
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Well my first year from February to December in training, I made $14,000 flying at least 70 people around in a jet at Mach .83!

Yey!
 
MikeD said:
WOW. Just wow.

I was making $22,600/yr as a Cessna 207 initial-hire 135 cargo pilot in PHX in 1995.

And before that, was making $19,500 as a starting traffic watch pilot in 1993.
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I was making around $12,000 as a flight instructor, though it was kind of hit and miss. Sometimes you were crazy busy, other times not so much.
 
Hmmm... let me do the math. 50dollars a night times 365 days. = 18,100 so apparently according to this guy. It is ok to spend every penny you earn on paying for a place to live. Not including food, gass, etc... And i love how he tried to make it sound like regional pilots make a decent living. :rotfl: This guy is a total jerk:mad:
 
cencal83406 said:
I'm sure this is what you wanted to tell him:

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

:D
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Very nice Dumb and Dumber quote :clap:


The Buffalo News continues to follow up with the regional airline industry. Latest from todays front page:

Piedmont pilots lack key safety training

Unfamiliarity with stick pusher shocks Flight 3407 victims' families, aviation experts

By Tom Precious and Jerry Zremski
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<!-- End /PubSys/Story/MediaBox/MediaBox.comp --> <!--endclickprintexclude--> <!-- --> Nearly a year after the pilot of Continental Connection Flight 3407 tried to override the safety device that was supposed to help rescue the tumbling plane, pilots at another regional airline flying into Buffalo say they have never been trained in how that safety device works.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/941017.html
 
I can never believe anyone who shakes their head while trying to convince me of something.

And for the record, I made $19,730 in 2009 working at a paint store. I didn't start working there until mid-February. What I actually do: I look at the orders, I key the color names in the computer, put the gallon under the dispenser, and hit "enter." I did that about 1000 times, and got $19,730.
 
I agree, the average non-flying Joe Public won't have the ability to fully grasp the 500 hours comment and I hope the rest of the show goes into some detail to clarify that.

Still I think the public needs to be educated on topics like this. Do you think the average non-flyer has any clue how many hours a newly minted AF or navy Lt. has, right out of qualification in an F-15/16/18? Probably not more than 500 total.

So it goes to say as well, alot of a pilots ability has to do with the quality of training one has received too.
 
I really don't think we have to worry about the public getting the wrong idea about the 500 hour comment. I mean, come on...everyone knows that nobody actually watches PBS. :laff:

Good video. Looking forward to the full thing. :)
 
It sucks to see video of stuff like this but it at least presents reality for some people. As a pilot hoping to go to work for an airline, it is good to see at least that some people are shedding light on the situation. It seems, judging by the interview with the exec, that the general attitude is still one of cost-cutting and profiteering as opposed to safety and customer satisfaction.
 
MikeD said:
WOW. Just wow.

I was making $22,600/yr as a Cessna 207 initial-hire 135 cargo pilot in PHX in 1995.

And before that, was making $19,500 as a starting traffic watch pilot in 1993.
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$21k/yr starting pay doing aerial mapping in a C-172, $25k as chief pilot.

Made minimum wage flying traffic watch (paid for Hobbs time only), but I slept in my own bed every night.

Anybody know what Cohen's salary was as RAA president?
 
aloft said:
$21k/yr starting pay doing aerial mapping in a C-172, $25k as chief pilot.

Made minimum wage flying traffic watch (paid for Hobbs time only), but I slept in my own bed every night.

Anybody know what Cohen's salary was as RAA president?
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Excellent question, sir.

Stuff like this warms my heart in the coldest of winter nights- it keeps the pressure on to push reform and encourage legislative work.

We might just get some stuff done, yet.
 
Great preview. Does anyone but me feel the need to shower after watching and listening to Cohen? Ugh.... What a smarmy, disingenuous excuse for a man.

Major props to Corey, though! I flew with him several time and he is a great guy and I'm not surprised he stepped up to do the interview. He is as straight a shooter as you can get.
 
This documentary was a great sob story. It will touch the public's heart for approximately 5 mins and 27 secs, and then they will go about their lives as normal, this includes picking the cheapest ticket to where ever they are traveling.

Meanwhile, Colgan is hiring and surely has a humongous stack of resumes. The media route is useless, and will always be useless. The day that Colgan is hiring and they have less resumes then jobs available, that is when pay will go up.

Or they can always strike:D
 
Public will be outraged...then will forgive and forget the minute they are offered a $99 fare!

For a limited time only, offer valid during off peak hours between 2am and 2:01am on Sundays only provided fareholder is a member of the RAA flight crew wage suppression association of america. Must bring validated coupon to recieve offer. Validation will be granted upon completion of the RAA propaganda program and be an acitve member of the RAA WSAA.
 
I'd like to see the whole thing. I wonder if Miles asks the pilots if they were making so little, why didn't they do something else? Or why take the job in the first place?
 
He did ask why we did it and why we continued the job. I left aviation alltogether and then realized i miss it to much so now im going back as an fo for another airline at the end of march.
 
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