'Flying Cheap' PBS Documentary on Regional Airlines

I take back everything I ever said about Miles. He totally redeemed himself with this. (I am referring to some of his post-accident analysis.)
 
JoelT said:
I take back everything I ever said about Miles. He totally redeemed himself with this. (I am referring to some of his post-accident analysis.)
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I'm sure this is what you wanted to tell him:

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

:D
 
And yet, Colgan still has more applications than they know what to do with. What a punch in the gut to all those from the outside (including victim's families) who are pushing for better wages and work rules at Colgan and the rest of the regionals.

Outside help to fix this industry isn't going to go anywhere if those on the inside aren't willing to help as well.
 
Yea I've never been a fan of Miles, his commentary on aviation related news often induces dry heaving. This however seems to be pretty spot on.
 
Re: PBS, Flying Cheap

SIUav8er said:
Yikes... Colgan falsifies duty time records? wonder how much that happens
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Yea man, didnt you know you can show up 1 minute prior to departure and pre-flight, do a weight and balance, get the ATIS, clearance, get a full brief from the captain or give a full brief to the FO, then bam 1 minute later your out of the gate.
 
Pretty honest portrayal, but something tells me the flying public isn't going to give one hoot about the plight of pilots, unfortunately.
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Looking forward to seeing the full show.

When he said he was upgraded to captain with 500 hours, I assume he meant 500 hours in that aircraft.

You need an ATP to be a captain. I think he should have clarified that.
 
SuperCubRick said:
Looking forward to seeing the full show.

When he said he was upgraded to captain with 500 hours, I assume he meant 500 hours in that aircraft.

You need an ATP to be a captain. I think he should have clarified that.
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agree. to the average person watching this, that will definitely be misleading
 
SIUav8er said:
agree. to the average person watching this, that will definitely be misleading
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Yeah, that's not cool that they let that slide without clarification.

Big difference between 2000 hours TT (1500 req. for ATP + his 500 in type) and 500!

The general public will start to think that their regional captains just hopped out of a C-172 with a private license and 500 hrs, :laff:
 
What's the difference between a 500 hour FO and a captain with 1,500 hours total time, 500 hours in type and doing his ATP ride AT 1,500 hours during upgrade training?

I'd argue not much. A Beech 1900 or a Saab ain't a Cessna 172.
 
ljg said:
Pretty honest portrayal, but something tells me the flying public isn't going to give one hoot about the plight of pilots, unfortunately.
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Why should the public care if we as pilots for the most part don't care?
 
The general public doesn't know much about that though.

They see the hours as the most accurate indication of piloting ability and judgement/decision making.

So if they thought that they had 500 hour TT captains flying them around, they may not like that very much.

They'll go spreading the word to their friends that "hey man, on this PBS show, this guy was captain on this regional plane with only 500 hours!" "Great Scott Marty! Only 500 hours!? I'm not flying with them again!"
 
SuperCubRick said:
The general public doesn't know much about that though.

They see the hours as the most accurate indication of piloting ability and judgement/decision making.

So if they thought that they had 500 hour TT captains flying them around, they may not like that very much.

They'll go spreading the word to their friends that "hey man, on this PBS show, this guy was captain on this regional plane with only 500 hours!" "Great Scott Marty! Only 500 hours!? I'm not flying with them again!"
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With your logic you could add a zero and people still wouldn't have any understanding of the significance.

I mean 5,000 hours? That's only two and a half years with a 40 hour work week!

See the problem?
 
jtrain609 said:
See the problem?
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I think that most people understand that a pilot with thousands of hours is going to be substantially "better" than one with a few hundred.

Thousands of hours of flight time sounds rather impressive to most non-flying people.

Maybe I don't realize how clueless most people are - I just assume that thousands of hours = experienced / awesome pilot to most people, compared to one with a few hundred.
 
JoelT said:
I take back everything I ever said about Miles. He totally redeemed himself with this. (I am referring to some of his post-accident analysis.)
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bLizZuE said:
Yea I've never been a fan of Miles, his commentary on aviation related news often induces dry heaving. This however seems to be pretty spot on.
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I wonder how much of the difference has to do with this being a FRONTLINE story, and not reporting for CNN.
 
SuperCubRick said:
I think that most people understand that a pilot with thousands of hours is going to be substantially "better" than one with a few hundred.

Thousands of hours of flight time sounds rather impressive to most non-flying people.

Maybe I don't realize how clueless most people are - I just assume that thousands of hours = experienced / awesome pilot to most people, compared to one with a few hundred.
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I think that's just it, is that you have some experience in this realm where the average person has none.

If you were telling people, "ZOMG! That United captain has FIVE HUNDRED HOURS!!!! Can you believe how much experience that is!?" people would probably get right on board. "Oh yeah, dude's like Chuck Armstrong or something!"
 
jtrain609 said:
If you were telling people, "ZOMG! That United captain has FIVE HUNDRED HOURS!!!! Can you believe how much experience that is!?" people would probably get right on board. "Oh yeah, dude's like Chuck Armstrong or something!"
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LMAO - yea I know what you mean, damn - the general public and aviation, what a terrible mix. :laff:
 
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