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CK
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Thanks man, and, for the record, I have a little bit of actual time in /A and /U airplanes. You just never see the photos of them, because I am too busy flying the plane to be taking photos! And I certainly agree with you on regional flying. I would probally get out of aviation before I flew a 40+ seat jet for 30k a year!
Alex.
Yeah, you both (mikecweb) are...but my "bitching is tiring", so I'm done with it. Have at it...I'm sure someone from Airnet can make even that last sentence into something other than what it is. Remember guys, just read the text...don't interpret it. When I want you to think I'm trying to say something, I'll say it.
What AM I saying? I think the company could do a better job of letting you know what will most likely be available once you complete training. Am I willing to relocate? Yes. That's a simple question though and it warrants a simple response. It's not just me that feels this way. Ask most of the people in the new classes and you'll get the same responses...I'm just not afraid to say how I feel.
Is that clear enough without "bitching"?
-mini
Hey, everyone would LOVE to know what their options are! No harm in that.
But say it's you in the ACP's office figuring this stuff out and pilot trainee mintour walks and and wants to know what his options are.
Well, who is going to quit and leave their runs by the time you are done with training?
What runs are going to open and close by the time you are done with training?
With the unknown resignations and the unknown closures/ openings, how are the pilots on the seniority list going to bid when these new bases open, or theirs closes?
Could they do better? Probably. But the system is very fluid and one little pebble disturbs the whole pond.
Seriously - how would you change the system to make it better?
I don't think you're bitching - I think that one, you are simply expressing your desire to know where you're going. Understandable - as long as you realize that it's probably not going to happen. And two, I think you simply don't understand the system. No worries there - I'm still figuring it out myself.
But say it's you in the ACP's office figuring this stuff out and pilot trainee mintour walks and and wants to know what his options are.
Well, who is going to quit and leave their runs by the time you are done with training?
What runs are going to open and close by the time you are done with training?
With the unknown resignations and the unknown closures/ openings, how are the pilots on the seniority list going to bid when these new bases open, or theirs closes?
Could they do better? Probably. But the system is very fluid and one little pebble disturbs the whole pond.
Seriously - how would you change the system to make it better?
I don't think you're bitching - I think that one, you are simply expressing your desire to know where you're going. Understandable - as long as you realize that it's probably not going to happen. And two, I think you simply don't understand the system. No worries there - I'm still figuring it out myself.
I answered that question. How could they do a better job? Do you want to be assigned a base prior to passing training? Would that be the solution? Do you want a list of bases currently open to give you an idea? What I told you was you are very lucky to even have a choice. There are something like 15 runs open right now. Back when almost everyone at Airnet on this board got hired we didn't have choices. We had to wait until our senority was high enough to go where we wanted to go.
Seriously, you've have had three people read your posts and apparently completely missed the point. I wanna help you out man I really do but you gotta give me something back rather then just saying I wrongly interpret what you say. I take about 5 hours of my free time everyday helping Airnet pilots. 95% of that you'll never see as a pilot here but trust me I'm here to help.
If I had the answer to that, I'd never have to fly again
.Not sure how to do it...just opining that it can be done better.
That's great...I'm glad that you're trying to help. The world needs more of that.
What would you like back? You misinterpret my posts, make them into what you want them to be, attack me...then expect me to bow down?
What would you like back from me?
-mini
In other words if someone misinterprets your post make a correction and try to word it differently.
I'm really not trying to make them into what I want them to say. I'm not that bored. I would like to help you out.
Ian pretty much summed it up. There really isn't a better way of doing things. Runs and bases change here alot. It's just the nature of the company. Can you think of another place that has this many bases?
Saying that things could be better but you don't have any solution is pretty much a waste of time isn't? How do you know it could be better?
I'm really not trying to make them into what I want them to say. I'm not that bored. I would like to help you out.
Ian pretty much summed it up. There really isn't a better way of doing things. Runs and bases change here alot. It's just the nature of the company. Can you think of another place that has this many bases?
Saying that things could be better but you don't have any solution is pretty much a waste of time isn't? How do you know it could be better?
I've already been down that road. You responded with...
I had a nice long reply typed up for this, but at the risk of it sounding like "bitching", and I know you hate that, I'll just say this...
It is just my opinion that the people in charge could at least let us know what is going on. I don't think we needed to be promised bases at the interview (though at least 3 of us were) to get us here. If we didn't want to be here, we wouldn't have applied. Well, again, I hate speaking for other people so I'll only say that I wouldn't have applied if I didn't want to be here. I've got other options...some good, some not so good, some flying, some not flying.
My opinion is simply that keeping us in the dark and telling us "don't worry about it", isn't a solution. Some of us have leases to sign...or not. Houses to sell...or not. Wives to find new jobs...or not.
It's just a little frustrating. That doesn't mean I think the company is in any way "evil" or any variation of it. Just that I think there's a better way to do it. If they'd like to hire me in to re-design the structure, I'd be more than happy to take a look at it. But for now, my job is to pass training...and that's all I'm going to work on.
"Clear as mud?" - The DPE that did my CFI ride.
-mini
averyrm
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The only thing you can plan for is the worst. What's the worst base you can go to? plan to live there.
With the way airnet's bidding system and run structure works, I could tell you "You'll most likely go to ____" but there's a 50% chance I'll be wrong. Then you'll be bitching about "Oh, they told me I'll go here but now I have to go there..."
Make it through training (including transition) first, then worry about it. - We tell you that because that's the truth.
With the way airnet's bidding system and run structure works, I could tell you "You'll most likely go to ____" but there's a 50% chance I'll be wrong. Then you'll be bitching about "Oh, they told me I'll go here but now I have to go there..."
Make it through training (including transition) first, then worry about it. - We tell you that because that's the truth.
FlySmiley
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Good thing it is possibly the most reliable engine ever built.
Good thing it doesn't use a traditional vacuum pump.
Good thing the alternator is only a standby source of power.
Good thing there are two of them, with independent power sources.
Good thing this is not the shady 172-P you rent from your local FBO. This is a well designed aircraft with fantastic maintenance to boot.
Good thing you don't have to be a falling snow cone (read: Pilot error) Fly smart!
Listen to these guys... they know what they are talking about. FWIW, I was one of the guys sitting around for a LONG time waiting for a run just to get awarded one of the two bases that I did not want to go to. A word of advice and not to sound harsh, but: It is what it is.. deal with it.
Then I must be the unluckiest person on Earth to have had one fail...
Good thing I was on the ground.
-mini
ackeight
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Then I must be the unluckiest person on Earth to have had one fail...
Good thing I was on the ground.
-mini
Everything will fail eventually if it's man made. Even in the worse case scenario in the caravan you have a good chance of making it out as you follow your training. It's a fairly reduntant aircraft with the exception of 1 engine.
ctab5060X
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Just curious, are you talking about a PT6 in general or specifically the PT6-114 or -114A?
Question: How many hours is Airnet getting on the -114 before overhaul? Also, are they 600s, 675s, or a mix of both?
FlySmiley
New Member
I'm not sure on the overhaul times except that they come in for inspection every 100hrs.
Airnet has mostly 208-B's with the the 675hp, but there are several 208-A's with the 600hp. There are no B models with the 600hp (although I think that may have been an available option from Cessna).
Airnet has mostly 208-B's with the the 675hp, but there are several 208-A's with the 600hp. There are no B models with the 600hp (although I think that may have been an available option from Cessna).
ctab5060X
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That is what I was thinking just from seeing the props on the Airnet Vans. I flew a 600 hp B with the big paddle composite prop. Good airplane. I hardly hear of anything going wrong with ones that are well maintained. Where I worked we had 200 hr inspections and I seem to remember our overhaul times were extended through a special program and was up over several thousand hours between overhauls.
ctab5060X
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Just sharing some info I found about the PT6 t-prop engines...
This comes straight from a Status Report on the PT6 Turboprop Family:
FWIW...
I knew it was a safe and reliable engine, but those numbers are impressive:drool:
As a side note, there was some deleted text shown: