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Fly777bigBIRD

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I will be transferring to UND from Green River CC, Auburn, Wa in a year or so.

So if I get my private here at my FBO, does that mean I have to go through the classes and another checkride at UND?! I have to spend more greens out of my pocket?

Or sould i just take the Knowledge test first and wait to go to UND to get my Private?:whatever:
 
Yes, it means you'll have take the Private Pilot ground school course all over again, while spending an additional $3000-4000 for the flight test course for them to "make sure" you're proficient enough to begin UND's CSMEL-instrument program. This is a GREAT way for a large business such as UND Aerospace, Inc, LLC, Ltd, GmbH or whatever to screw students and make larger profits (trust me, if I was in the business I'd be doing the same thing to kids with rich parents...isn't capitalism wonderful).

Don't get your private there if you plan on coming to UND right after. You'll end up spending a lot more money...
 
They aren't totally out to get you though with the test course. You do kinda need to learn the way UND does things, but yeah, from what I have heard, some of the flying can get a little rundant, and students who come in with a ppl can get kinda frustrated in the test course... I'm sure UAL747 with have something to say about this ;). Like Jace said, you will have to do the entire 102 ground school. I'd say just wait till you get here to get your private and save some dough.
 
airplanerik said:
They aren't totally out to get you though with the test course. You do kinda need to learn the way UND does things, but yeah, from what I have heard, some of the flying can get a little rundant, and students who come in with a ppl can get kinda frustrated in the test course... I'm sure UAL with have something to say about this ;). Like Jace said, you will have to do the entire 102 ground school. I'd say just wait till you get here to get your private and save some dough.
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I'd have to disagree with ya here, but we do choose the flight schools we end up going to :)....but I doubt it would be difficult to learn about the two practice area frequencies, Truckstop, Puddle, Kelly Farm, Kelly Tower, • Lake to the east and • Ocean to the west in less than 5 minutes.
 
Hmm, I know this doesn't apply to your question, and I apologize from going off-topic, but if you haven't done so already, PLEASE come visit before you actually make the jump to this dump of a place.

Ok, on to your question...like Jace mentioned, UND will make you take a "test course," so that you "become familiar" with the UND environment, and to "make sure that you are ready" for UND's "intensive curriculum" by charging you about yeah.....3K-4K for it.

A lot of people in this board believe that it's a good idea to have a test course, but I call it complete BS because you could become familiar with the school without paying 3000-4000. It's ridiculous.
Make sure you don't get your private before coming. It'll be better that way. ;)
 
JaceTheAce said:
I'd have to disagree with ya here, but we do choose the flight schools we end up going to :)....but I doubt it would be difficult to learn about the two practice area frequencies, Truckstop, Puddle, Kelly Farm, Kelly Tower, • Lake to the east and • Ocean to the west in less than 5 minutes.
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I agree with you there too. You need to learn the stuff, but yeah, you could learn it in like one or two flights - EASILY. So that is what makes the test course not worth it, and that is why it is better to just do private here.
 
AngelFuree said:
Hmm, I know this doesn't apply to your question, and I apologize from going off-topic, but if you haven't done so already, PLEASE come visit before you actually make the jump to this dump of a place.
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Or you can do what I did and just wing it..........without ever having set foot into ND prior............but I highly recommend that you don't do this.
 
There is one bonus to having to retake private pilot ground school. It should be the easiest 5 credit A if you already have your private. If you get less than an A then maybe it was a good thing you had to take the class.
 
From what I’ve seen so far with 112/105 (test course students) is that they can fly the airplane fine for the most part, but where they’re lacking is in technical ground knowledge and discipline in the airplane. I would venture to guess that this is due to the different training environment. I’m not saying that all students that come in with their private pilot certificate aren’t up to par… but, from what I’ve seen the test course would be helpful to transition students into a VERY structured training environment.

And, let's not get into the whole "grand forks is a dump..." thing... that's your opinion. We've discussed this enough in many other threads. Long story short, if you're concerned about the QOL here... take a visit and see yourself. Personally, I don't find Grand Forks a bad city (and I'm from a much larger city)
 
Snickersnwa said:
Personally, I don't find Grand Forks a bad city (and I'm from a much larger city)
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You're right, what was I thinking....it's paradise. :sarcasm:

I think most out-of-state students that are here, and international students are the type that just came here and winged it. I'm one of the many. (Believe me, I've talked to a good number that, like me, never visited before coming) Don't do it. It's completely STUPID, I admit. I think most of those who did visit never made it here. I was the type that thought, "oh yeah, I'm sure it sucks but I'll get used to it, or I'll tolerate it given a really good school." I think I've done an excellent job so far of tolerating this POS town. I'm out of here next year. Whooooooooooooooo!
 
Bignellyxx said:
There is one bonus to having to retake private pilot ground school. It should be the easiest 5 credit A if you already have your private. If you get less than an A then maybe it was a good thing you had to take the class.
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OR, if it wasn't required and you wanted an easy A you can sign up for Music Appreciation class and take Billiards and spend .0000001% of the cost of the Private Pilot test course. That's what I would prefer to do. Some of us don't have money laying around waiting to be spent.
 
Snickersnwa said:
From what I’ve seen so far with 112/105 (test course students) is that they can fly the airplane fine for the most part, but where they’re lacking is in technical ground knowledge and discipline in the airplane. I would venture to guess that this is due to the different training environment. I’m not saying that all students that come in with their private pilot certificate aren’t up to par… but, from what I’ve seen the test course would be helpful to transition students into a VERY structured training environment.
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If they have their Private Pilot's license, then the FAA has determined that they are proficient enough pilots. This is what I don't understand. It's as if UND is not recognizing official "FAA pilot licenses". If they suck at flying in 323 because of their "inferior-part61-FAA-issued licenses", let them spend more money and train-to-standards if the UND flight instructors see the need in the student... but do this on a case by case basis, not require everyone to go through such a large expense.
 
JaceTheAce said:
OR, if it wasn't required and you wanted an easy A you can sign up for Music Appreciation class and take Billiards and spend .0000001% of the cost of the Private Pilot test course. That's what I would prefer to do. Some of us don't have money laying around waiting to be spent.
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Well credits are essentially free after 12 so if your taking close to 12 credits you are essentially pissing away free school.
 
Bignellyxx said:
Well credits are essentially free after 12 so if your taking close to 12 credits you are essentially pissing away free school.
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We're not talking about credit cost - we're talking about the $3000-4000 additionally spent (flight expenses) in the test course versus a non-flying course.
 
JaceTheAce said:
We're not talking about credit cost - we're talking about the $3000-4000 additionally spent (flight expenses) in the test course versus a non-flying course.
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My bad, well snickers gave a few good points about why it is. You learn more technical stuff and the Gwhiz • they like to ask on the stage checks. Plus for a few of them it will help them proficient again. A lot of guys get their private pilot and take their friends up on a couple flights but don't keep proficient with maneuvers.
 
Bignellyxx said:
Plus for a few of them it will help them proficient again. A lot of guys get their private pilot and take their friends up on a couple flights but don't keep proficient with maneuvers.
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True that...but wouldn't you agree that the full cost of 105 is a little bit too much for proficiency? (Proficiency = no more than $500 maybe?)
 
Bignellyxx said:
My bad, well snickers gave a few good points about why it is. You learn more technical stuff and the Gwhiz • they like to ask on the stage checks. Plus for a few of them it will help them proficient again. A lot of guys get their private pilot and take their friends up on a couple flights but don't keep proficient with maneuvers.
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Valid point

AngelFuree said:
True that...but wouldn't you agree that the full cost of 105 is a little bit too much for proficiency? (Proficiency = no more than $500 maybe?)
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Agreed
 
Those of you arguing against the test course have obviously never taught a test course student.

Keep in mind that UND is a very different training environment. And not everybody does their training at towered airports or in Warriors. It took my test course student several flights to get comfortable with the Warrior. And even as a certificated private pilot he was not able to handle towered operations here unassisted the first 4 flights. And let's not get into the book knowledge stuff. I was shocked that a student with an official "FAA pilot license" (as you so put it Jace) was unable to decode a TAF or determine the winds/temps aloft.

And lets get something else straight. Students who come in with more than 30 hours but no certificate take the 105 course. Those who come in with their private pilot certificate take the 112 course. There will be a cost difference between the two courses.

My advice to the original poster: wait to get your private pilot cert until you get here. You will save some money that way.

And to the Grand Forks haters: STFU about it already. Nobody cares that you don't like it here. If it's so bad, please just leave.
 
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