Flight Safety vs. Pan Am
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Nice try Lancair1, and no I'm not one of the ATA owners or managers. Actually I'm pro Embry-Riddle. I use a different computer from time to time, therefore, I can use a different call sign. I can only guess that you know it all, now that you are a new student at FSI. That was quite a bold statement you made saying he will be flying in the right seat next to you some day. Better consentrate on more study time than web time. Knowledge is money in the bank if you use it properly. You will not learn that much surfing the internet. I can afford to because I'm already successful in my career and have time to spend. You on the other hand, are just beginning and need to take the training you are receiving as serious as you can. Some day it might save your life and the pax you are responsible for. The effort you apply will pay off in the end.
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Just curious... If the flight hours at Pan Am in Ft Pierce are restricted like you say, how is anyone supposed to get night xcountry?
Acadia
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Originally posted by gofast:
.One bit of info for Pan Am is on 12-5-01 the city voted to restrict the times that training aircraft at ft.pierce can fly starting on 12-12-01. The local paper said the times would be 9-5 m-f, 9-2 sat and none on sunday. They also said maybe more to come. That will really hurt the schools at ft. pierce including pan am.[/QB]
I called Ft. Pierce city hall and was told the above restrictions are only a proposal and would only restrict pattern work. Even if these rules are put into place you can still arrive and depart as normal, you would just have to move to another spot to conduct training.
.One bit of info for Pan Am is on 12-5-01 the city voted to restrict the times that training aircraft at ft.pierce can fly starting on 12-12-01. The local paper said the times would be 9-5 m-f, 9-2 sat and none on sunday. They also said maybe more to come. That will really hurt the schools at ft. pierce including pan am.[/QB]
I called Ft. Pierce city hall and was told the above restrictions are only a proposal and would only restrict pattern work. Even if these rules are put into place you can still arrive and depart as normal, you would just have to move to another spot to conduct training.
The way I read it in the paper is that they are just trying to cut down on touch and go traffic and multiple instrument approaches. FPR can really be a zoo sometimes, the place gets sacked with PAN AM and a lot of FSI planes. One reason is that there are sooo many instrument students and FPR has the only ILS in the area. Next closest is MLB. Also Miami center limits the vertical airspace at 060 to allow for STARs/SIDs down the coast so they don't have much airspace to play with and no radar at the tower.
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These restrictions are in place at Ft. Pierce. I am a student at FlightSafety and I had a flight yesterday and there were signs posted everywhere about it. However this may be affecting Vero as well. After 5 pm on weekdays you are only allowed full stop taxi backs, no touch and goes. No touch and goes either on Sundays or holidays. There are plenty of other airports close by though to do your training if you want multiple landings for a lesson. Don't let this effect your decision however. Both are great schools. I am really pleased with FlightSafety and how my training has gone so far. We just recieved our first new seminole about a week ago and we are scheduled for 19 more. All will be equipped with dual Garmin GPS systems to make the instrument training even more in depth.
I did a great deal of homework on schools before I chose FSI and I feel it was the right choice for my personal goals I have as a pilot. Go with your instincts and everything will work out. Good Luck.
I did a great deal of homework on schools before I chose FSI and I feel it was the right choice for my personal goals I have as a pilot. Go with your instincts and everything will work out. Good Luck.
Hey, where are you at in your training? How long have you been there? What did you come in with? How many days of ground school/week and how many hours/week do you fly? I am just trying to get a feel on the training schedule down there. Could I fly twice a day, once I am done with ground school? And, is it better (in your opinion) to take ground school for a few weeks and not fly until it is completely over, or do you recommend mixing the two? What do most students do? Will it slow down your training if you do them separate? Appreciate any information and personal experiences!
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hey hova. Right now I'm in Step II which is commercial sel. However when you're done with this step you will only have a stage check, you will not get your certificate, you'll get that when you take your commercial ride in the seminole in Step 5. I have been here since Sept. but my private audit class was Oct. 1. I came in with my private and about 85 hours.
The ground school depends on the certificate or rating you are going for. For example, the multi-engine ground is only 4 days, but the instrument ground is 3.5 to 4 weeks. I fly 6 days a week and a couple days a week I'll go twice, however, I am in a group now called a "crew". That's where you get together with another student around the same lessons you are and they have the same instructor as you. What that does is you ride along on the other students flights and he/she rides on yours and your briefs are done together as well. This not only saves you money (you can split brief time in half between the two of you) but you also learn a great deal with another person there so I highly recommend it. In the crew though it is tough to fly twice a day because it has to work out with the other student and with your instructor. The only times you'll really be able to fly twice a day is in step 1 and 2 b/c you have solo flights, after step 2 it is all dual until you're done. The hours depends on the lesson and where you are in your training. Right now I avg. about 15 flight hours/week. Ground school is usually 4 hours/day Monday - Friday. As far as flying during groundschool it is totally up to you but in my opinion I would fly during ground. During my commercial ground I flew 1 or 2 weekdays then on weekends and that still kept me pretty comfortable in the airplane while still allowing me time to study. That is another thing, you have to keep up on your studies here. The last thing you want to do is fall behind. Think of it this way. The material here comes very fast and its like trying to get a drink of water out of a fire hose. So leave yourself time to study and don't burn yourself out. Most students that I know do fly during ground but only 3 or 4 times per week. Find a group of people that you're comfortable with, probably classmates, and do study groups with them and try to pace yourselves to stay together and it will be much easier on all of you and you may learn more in a group.
It will slow down your training if you do not fly during ground but I wouldn't worry about that. The date to graduate they give you when you're accepted is flying everyday 7 days a week with no breaks and no weather cancellations so if you don't meet that date don't worry about it because I have yet to meet someone graduate by that time. The best information I can give you though is keep your head up and enjoy being here. If you're not comfortable with your instructor, change. If you don't enjoy flying you won't learn and down here you pretty much live in the airplane. I have changed instructors twice now and the one I have now is awsome and I look forward to getting in the airplane. It's a good oppertunity for anyone but weigh your options and do your homework on other schools. If you have any questions don't hesitate to drop me an email I will be more than happy to help you out. Good Luck
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: flybub ]
The ground school depends on the certificate or rating you are going for. For example, the multi-engine ground is only 4 days, but the instrument ground is 3.5 to 4 weeks. I fly 6 days a week and a couple days a week I'll go twice, however, I am in a group now called a "crew". That's where you get together with another student around the same lessons you are and they have the same instructor as you. What that does is you ride along on the other students flights and he/she rides on yours and your briefs are done together as well. This not only saves you money (you can split brief time in half between the two of you) but you also learn a great deal with another person there so I highly recommend it. In the crew though it is tough to fly twice a day because it has to work out with the other student and with your instructor. The only times you'll really be able to fly twice a day is in step 1 and 2 b/c you have solo flights, after step 2 it is all dual until you're done. The hours depends on the lesson and where you are in your training. Right now I avg. about 15 flight hours/week. Ground school is usually 4 hours/day Monday - Friday. As far as flying during groundschool it is totally up to you but in my opinion I would fly during ground. During my commercial ground I flew 1 or 2 weekdays then on weekends and that still kept me pretty comfortable in the airplane while still allowing me time to study. That is another thing, you have to keep up on your studies here. The last thing you want to do is fall behind. Think of it this way. The material here comes very fast and its like trying to get a drink of water out of a fire hose. So leave yourself time to study and don't burn yourself out. Most students that I know do fly during ground but only 3 or 4 times per week. Find a group of people that you're comfortable with, probably classmates, and do study groups with them and try to pace yourselves to stay together and it will be much easier on all of you and you may learn more in a group.
It will slow down your training if you do not fly during ground but I wouldn't worry about that. The date to graduate they give you when you're accepted is flying everyday 7 days a week with no breaks and no weather cancellations so if you don't meet that date don't worry about it because I have yet to meet someone graduate by that time. The best information I can give you though is keep your head up and enjoy being here. If you're not comfortable with your instructor, change. If you don't enjoy flying you won't learn and down here you pretty much live in the airplane. I have changed instructors twice now and the one I have now is awsome and I look forward to getting in the airplane. It's a good oppertunity for anyone but weigh your options and do your homework on other schools. If you have any questions don't hesitate to drop me an email I will be more than happy to help you out. Good Luck
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: flybub ]
Sorry, one more question. I am finishing up my checkride this upcoming week, and I admit, I am not where I want to be. Actually my flying is not that bad, but I could have studied more during the course of my PPL training. I did it at a local FBO, first time I ever looked into flying. One day I was at work, hated my job, and thought what would make me happy everyday, if I had to choose a job. Flying! And I have not looked back since. I really did not know what I was getting into, I was just cruising along. After I took my written test (scored good) I thought the checkride was the only thing left, I did not know there was an oral. Oh •, need to study more. I have learned alot these last couple of weeks and wish I would have done it alot different. For example, I just found out about the KING videos/Sporty's videos, those are pretty descent learning tools, better than the generic ground school I signed up for, that was a freakin joke. Anyways, my question is will the 2 week audit get me up to par as far as my PPL, (If I even get it)? Did you feel a little behind when you first started FS? Just curious, I know the training will be a drastic change, and I am looking forward to it. The crew thing sounds awesome, that is the one thing that attracts me to FS, is having other students to talk/study/compare with. I think this will aid the learning process. I hope I pass my checkride or else it will be $10,000 extra to do it the FS way! Not cool.
Most people who do the audit got thier private several years ago so the info is not really fresh in their minds. If your really uncomfortable with the material go ahead and do the audit. (it's free) But realize that in the commercial ground school they will spend alot of time reviewing this same material. I came with an FBO private went right into commercial ground and had no problems at all. However I did study pretty hard on my own while getting my private.
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aviator is right, the audit is up to you. I went through the audit and it brought me up to par on where FS wants you when you finish the PPL here. I recommend it just to get up to speed so if you do have problems you can get them worked out before you get to your commercial. There is some pretty good information that you get in the audit class some of it I didn't know and helped me out before I started commercial. Any other questions fire away I'm sure me or other students at FS will answer them gladly. See ya.
Baronman
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I'd say don't worry about the academic material...Truth be told there isn't anything really difficult about going through and getting your liscences, I'd say at worst (Instrument ground) it's like an easy college class, at best (multi ground) it's like a high school class, show up and keep your eyes open and you'll do fine. Bottom line, don't sweat it.
FYI- any airport that receives federal funding, federal regulations superceed anything that a local gov't tries to impose. That includes night ops, touch-in-go, hrs of operations, etc. Other airports have tried to impose restrictions, such as no jets, only to be told, once the Feds are informed, to back off. Read information on this subject on AOPA's web site: www.aopa.org. The local pilots, including the school, must stand up to the political pressure. The school probably will not want to offend the locals. The question is, who was here first, the airport or the snob housing residents. They (new local residents) had a choice to live near the airport or not live near the airport.
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Very impressive post for a change......