Flight instructor instrument -- no complex requirement?

West side. Might be able to justify it then ($wise). Haven't flown in a year+ and have recent, new motivation to fly again...might be the plan.
 
LatitudeDancer said:
What are you talking about?
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In order to teach in an aircraft, you need the appropriate aircraft rating on your instructor certificate.

If the only rating on your CFI certificate is "instrument airplane," (IOW, no CFI-ASE or CFI-AME), which is what I thought you were asking, you can't teach in an airplane. You're pretty much limited to ground and simulator instruction.
 
It doesn't make any sense (restricting the CFII, not the letter), but that is the FAA for ya. Do the CFII as your initial if you want, just be sure you can do your CFI or MEI add-on rather quickly so you can teach.
 
Maurus said:
It doesn't make any sense (restricting the CFII, not the letter), but that is the FAA for ya....
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It makes more sense than allowing someone that has demonstrated no instructional proficiency (teaching "airplanes") to teach someone instruments in any airplane not requiring a type just because they have a commercial Certificate and SE/ME ratings (with appropriate endorsements). You just don't know what's going to happen. How many of us have had to teach IFR candidates how to land? You can't do that without a CFI-ASE or CFI-AME.

I like the interpretation the way it is.

-mini
 
minitour said:
It makes more sense than allowing someone that has demonstrated no instructional proficiency (teaching "airplanes") to teach someone instruments in any airplane not requiring a type just because they have a commercial Certificate and SE/ME ratings (with appropriate endorsements). You just don't know what's going to happen. How many of us have had to teach IFR candidates how to land? You can't do that without a CFI-ASE or CFI-AME.

I like the interpretation the way it is.

-mini
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Yep. Been there, done that. Private pilot pilot in 172 "ready for approaches" (according to previous instructor), could not land on center line and crossed the numbers at 90 KTS; used up all of an 8400' runway. He liked the way the airplane landed fast with 0 flaps verses using flaps at a lower speed. He was a landing accident waiting to happen.
 
minitour said:
It makes more sense than allowing someone that has demonstrated no instructional proficiency (teaching "airplanes") to teach someone instruments in any airplane not requiring a type just because they have a commercial Certificate and SE/ME ratings (with appropriate endorsements). You just don't know what's going to happen. How many of us have had to teach IFR candidates how to land? You can't do that without a CFI-ASE or CFI-AME.

I like the interpretation the way it is.

-mini
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Well they should put a limitation on the certificate for the class aircraft used in the checkride. If single-engine land, then limit the CFII to that class aircraft for instrument instruction. After doing the CFI they can eliminate the limitation. They already do this type of thing for people that didn't shoot any single engine approaches for the multi add-on but have "Instrument Airplane" on their certificates.

As far as landing during instrument training, it isn't required training for the rating. If you need to save a landing or two during training you can recommend to go up int he pattern with a CFI to take care of the landing problem. Besides, part of instrument training is to learn how to land from an instrument approach and I would hope as a commercial pilot you would know when to intervene when the instrument student decides that he doesn't remember how to land.

The interpretation in the letter is correct, I just don't like the thought process of the new reg.
 
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