Flight Engineer (FEX) Written Prep & Exam
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On to the initial subject...
I wouldn't recommend cheating on any test that is proctored. At ATP Dallas, we caught one guy cheating and it's a very involved process from there. The proctor had to give a written statement to the FAA and Cats Testing. The FAA was notified, and his work place was notified... basically this guy totally screwed up his life in less than one hour. Sig could definately fill in the details... he was the proctor.
I personally was proctoring one day and when I went in to clear the room prior to the testing... I looked under his mouse mat and found a sheet of paper folded exactly the same size as the mouse pad and it was full of notes! I asked him if it was his... he denied it... even though he'd been at that station studying all day.
I couldn't prove it was his so I shredded it and proceeded to further inspect the area and give him the standard "don't cheat... it's not worth it" speech, before starting the test.
Bottom line... "don't cheat... it's not worth it"!
...and I wouldn't want to "suggest" that it may be a good idea to anyone. I know you want your money ASAP Bluehen... I would too if I were in your position... But ATP is far from ATA and other schools who hold on to students funds for longer than needed.
That being said... please inform us if your money situation is NOT resolved in the stated policy period.
Bob
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If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Seriously though, I'm all about cooperate and graduate. Don't do anything blatent, but if there's study gouge, use it. Confirm it's validity, of course....meaning you have to have some fair knowlege of the subject...but use it. Helping each other out is the name of the game. Captain Bob, I can't believe so much was made out of the situation in your first paragraph.......you'd have thought that the guy involved was selling US nuclear defense secrets or something......jeez.
Back in UPT, we'd have these USAF Academy geeks that would pull the kool-aid "will not lie, cheat, or steal....nor tolerate anyone" programming that they received at the Colorado Springs City Zoo. They were so worried about being #1 and being the best, that they failed to see the teamwork aspect of the whole thing. I'd regularly help a guy out in the standup EP (where you get stood up in the morning brief and are given an emergency situation to solve) when he was getting hung up on what to say, or where to look. I'd "checklist-tap" if I was sitting next to him so he could take a quick glance down to cage his gyros and see the correct checklist he should be looking at during a complex emergency. The rest he had to do himself, so again, he had to have some semblance of competency and study on the subject, but IMO, I had no problem giving a guy a little help when he needed it. It was the "in it for themselves" nitwits I had a problem with.
On to the initial subject...
I wouldn't recommend cheating on any test that is proctored. At ATP Dallas, we caught one guy cheating and it's a very involved process from there. The proctor had to give a written statement to the FAA and Cats Testing. The FAA was notified, and his work place was notified... basically this guy totally screwed up his life in less than one hour. Sig could definately fill in the details... he was the proctor.
I personally was proctoring one day and when I went in to clear the room prior to the testing... I looked under his mouse mat and found a sheet of paper folded exactly the same size as the mouse pad and it was full of notes! I asked him if it was his... he denied it... even though he'd been at that station studying all day.
I couldn't prove it was his so I shredded it and proceeded to further inspect the area and give him the standard "don't cheat... it's not worth it" speech, before starting the test.
Bottom line... "don't cheat... it's not worth it"!
That being said... please inform us if your money situation is NOT resolved in the stated policy period.
Bob
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If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Seriously though, I'm all about cooperate and graduate. Don't do anything blatent, but if there's study gouge, use it. Confirm it's validity, of course....meaning you have to have some fair knowlege of the subject...but use it. Helping each other out is the name of the game. Captain Bob, I can't believe so much was made out of the situation in your first paragraph.......you'd have thought that the guy involved was selling US nuclear defense secrets or something......jeez.
Back in UPT, we'd have these USAF Academy geeks that would pull the kool-aid "will not lie, cheat, or steal....nor tolerate anyone" programming that they received at the Colorado Springs City Zoo. They were so worried about being #1 and being the best, that they failed to see the teamwork aspect of the whole thing. I'd regularly help a guy out in the standup EP (where you get stood up in the morning brief and are given an emergency situation to solve) when he was getting hung up on what to say, or where to look. I'd "checklist-tap" if I was sitting next to him so he could take a quick glance down to cage his gyros and see the correct checklist he should be looking at during a complex emergency. The rest he had to do himself, so again, he had to have some semblance of competency and study on the subject, but IMO, I had no problem giving a guy a little help when he needed it. It was the "in it for themselves" nitwits I had a problem with.
Cactus_Cutter
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I don’t know why anyone would cheat on a written? I don’t know about the FEX but every written I have taken (up to ATP) has been so easy compared to checkrides where the real test is.