Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For Foo
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Nark
Macho Superpilot
Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Absolutely nothing.
The crash of Colgan's dash-8 highlighted the crap wages and the public did nothing but increase the requirements for 121 SIC's.
It's your own fault for accepting such low wages.
Absolutely nothing.
The crash of Colgan's dash-8 highlighted the crap wages and the public did nothing but increase the requirements for 121 SIC's.
It's your own fault for accepting such low wages.
Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
+1. I sure hope this goes bad for her just for the sake of making national media, and for the fact that she'll probably get more from a lawsuit.
+1. I sure hope this goes bad for her just for the sake of making national media, and for the fact that she'll probably get more from a lawsuit.
trafficinsight
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No matter how many times this has happened people still don't get that it's not okay to say bad things about the company you work for on television no matter how true they are.
No matter how many times this has happened people still don't get that it's not okay to say bad things about the company you work for on television no matter how true they are.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
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Its totally ok, you just have to be willing to suffer the consequences of your words. I'm sure the company thought, "she's on food stamps? Hell, now she's on unemployment, she's ungrateful, and probably a piss poor worker."
Its totally ok, you just have to be willing to suffer the consequences of your words. I'm sure the company thought, "she's on food stamps? Hell, now she's on unemployment, she's ungrateful, and probably a piss poor worker."
trafficinsight
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Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Unhappy workers generally are.
Unhappy workers generally are.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
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Why's it a bad thing? It's a wage they're openly paying...the contracts are published. I don't think it's unreasonable to fire someone for saying "my boss is an unpublishable", but it seems absurd and faintly feudal that a company can fire you for repeating information they themselves allow to be in the public domain. To wit, what they pay you.
Why's it a bad thing? It's a wage they're openly paying...the contracts are published. I don't think it's unreasonable to fire someone for saying "my boss is an unpublishable", but it seems absurd and faintly feudal that a company can fire you for repeating information they themselves allow to be in the public domain. To wit, what they pay you.
Bandit_Driver
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Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Ain't that the truth...Seen it many times. Good people getting canned for dumb and political stuff.
They are betting she doesn't have the resources to pursue it.
Heck I know S5 pilots that were on public assistance while holding a line.
You can get fired for a lot of stuff!
Ain't that the truth...Seen it many times. Good people getting canned for dumb and political stuff.
They are betting she doesn't have the resources to pursue it.
Heck I know S5 pilots that were on public assistance while holding a line.
JOEFRIDAY2
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It is unfortunate that this is even an issue and I hope it does get fixed.
Joe
It is unfortunate that this is even an issue and I hope it does get fixed.
Joe
trafficinsight
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Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
I didn't say the "if you want to keep your job" part because I thought that was implied.
I didn't say the "if you want to keep your job" part because I thought that was implied.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Such a snide comment only incites anger, maybe contribution instead of instigation would helpful. If you think you have an answer, please share it. I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear how to progress their careers while not sacrificing some quality of life.
It's not the fault of the public, it's a byproduct of years of rising costs and dropping profits. You can say it's 'our' fault of accepting low wages, but low wages are better than no wages. I don't feel like I'm on the poverty line, however I make a lot less than I did as a CFI. It sucks, but again, if you have a better idea I'd love to hear it.
Such a snide comment only incites anger, maybe contribution instead of instigation would helpful. If you think you have an answer, please share it. I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear how to progress their careers while not sacrificing some quality of life.
It's not the fault of the public, it's a byproduct of years of rising costs and dropping profits. You can say it's 'our' fault of accepting low wages, but low wages are better than no wages. I don't feel like I'm on the poverty line, however I make a lot less than I did as a CFI. It sucks, but again, if you have a better idea I'd love to hear it.
jhugz
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Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
...says the guy hoping for the Colgan call.
...says the guy hoping for the Colgan call.
Muff3n
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I hope she is able to take them to the cleaners for firing her because of something like this. It is sad that something like this can even come up. If the employees actually got paid fair wages this would never happen.
I hope she is able to take them to the cleaners for firing her because of something like this. It is sad that something like this can even come up. If the employees actually got paid fair wages this would never happen.
Firebird2XC
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It's been done. Back in the day at Eagle, guys spoke up about food stamps. Apparently back in the day, Eagle wages were bad enough that ALPA took out a big wall sign ad in the airport. This so thoroughly embarrassed the company that they bumped low end wages bit for pilots- then bought up all available ad space.
It's a simple fact: The American public DOES care, but most are fairly ignorant. Airlines care a great deal about public perception, and negative press makes them crap their pants.
Aircrew fatigue has become an issue of genuine public interest lately. Check it:
http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/08/20/five-things-airlines-dont-want-you-to-know/
Getting the truth out there fixes that spin.. and in turn gives airlines incentive to 'walk the walk' a little. Too much bad publicity, and the people might not come around. Or, they might decide to fix things and tug on Washington's sleeve, which is something no company wants.
So that's what this flight attendant got fired. I hope she sues the hell out of her employer.
It's been done. Back in the day at Eagle, guys spoke up about food stamps. Apparently back in the day, Eagle wages were bad enough that ALPA took out a big wall sign ad in the airport. This so thoroughly embarrassed the company that they bumped low end wages bit for pilots- then bought up all available ad space.
It's a simple fact: The American public DOES care, but most are fairly ignorant. Airlines care a great deal about public perception, and negative press makes them crap their pants.
Aircrew fatigue has become an issue of genuine public interest lately. Check it:
http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/08/20/five-things-airlines-dont-want-you-to-know/
The first bullet point?
The public may not care about the end reality of our lives as aircrews, but they do care about how it differs from their perception of us. Their perception of us is that we are all happy, rested, confident and the best money can buy. Because the airlines care about safety and liability, right?Five Things Airlines Don't Want You to Know
by Terry Ward Subscribe to Terry Ward's postsPosted Aug 20th 2010 05:00 PM
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Henrik Sorensen, Getty Images
From pilot fatigue to the water you drink onboard, what you should be aware of before catching a flight
Your captain and crew are often exhausted
Along with inadequate training, pilot fatigue was a factor during the investigation of the catastrophic Buffalo, N.Y., accident in February 2009, when a Continental Connection flight operated by Colgan Air crashed, killing all 49 people onboard and one on the ground. Pilots and crew will tell you that reporting to work after limited sleep and long on-duty hours is an all too common occurrence in the airline industry.
"The issue of flying tired is probably the largest threat to safety that occurs in the industry," says a captain for a major U.S. airline, who wishes to remain anonymous. "A lot of fatigue occurs after working a 14-plus hour day, followed by eight hours of 'rest' that includes transportation to and from the hotel, eating, sleeping, showering and having breakfast the next morning. It actually equates to about five hours of sleep, on a good night."
Under current FAA rules, pilots can be scheduled to be on duty for up to 16 hours, eight of which can be flying hours. "On many occasions, I have had a 14-hour day with eight hours 'rest', followed by another 14- or 15-hour day," says the captain.
Another longtime pilot for a U.S. carrier concurs, recalling a recent hop from the Caribbean to New York that involved a delay that led to him being on duty for 15.5 hours that day. "I had literally less than eight hours at the hotel [at the flight's destination] because it's 25 minutes there and 25 minutes back ... we were pretty well exhausted that whole next day."
As for the passengers on his plane, how many of them would have thought twice about boarding if they had known how tired their pilot was?
Getting the truth out there fixes that spin.. and in turn gives airlines incentive to 'walk the walk' a little. Too much bad publicity, and the people might not come around. Or, they might decide to fix things and tug on Washington's sleeve, which is something no company wants.
So that's what this flight attendant got fired. I hope she sues the hell out of her employer.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Which, I think, would be pretty solid grounds for a suit.
Which, I think, would be pretty solid grounds for a suit.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Re: Flight Attendant Gets Fired For Saying She Qualifies For
Actually, the public made sure that a whole hell of a lot more was done than that. In addition to increasing the requirements for SICs (which is very important, by the way), the following improvements were also achieved:
- Requirement for Safety Management Systems at all airlines
- Requirement for Advanced Qualification Program training at all airlines
- Requirement for Fatigue Risk Management Programs at all airlines
- Requirement to implement new Flight Time/Duty Time regulations
- Etc...
Maybe not, but the AFA does.
Unfortunately, the employees at Compass are going to have to get used to this kind of heavy-handed action from now on. Trans States is known for having some of the most brutal management tactics in the industry. Good luck to everyone, and be ready to fight.
Actually, the public made sure that a whole hell of a lot more was done than that. In addition to increasing the requirements for SICs (which is very important, by the way), the following improvements were also achieved:
- Requirement for Safety Management Systems at all airlines
- Requirement for Advanced Qualification Program training at all airlines
- Requirement for Fatigue Risk Management Programs at all airlines
- Requirement to implement new Flight Time/Duty Time regulations
- Etc...
Maybe not, but the AFA does.
Unfortunately, the employees at Compass are going to have to get used to this kind of heavy-handed action from now on. Trans States is known for having some of the most brutal management tactics in the industry. Good luck to everyone, and be ready to fight.